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posted 3 years ago by Chungus53 3 years ago by Chungus53 +111 / -0
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– captain-shitpost 15 points 3 years ago +15 / -0

it's called standup because the original version had people literally standing up. the fact that you're standing is a constant reminder to everyone in the group to get the fuck on with your point and stop talking about bullshit.

not joking, a few companies ago, this corporate 27-certifications-in-agile-and-project-management guy comes in and sits down on one of the tables during our standup, tried to dragon the 6 minute meeting out over and over again. telling him to stop making everyone wait on him getting something he could read from a project background doc... completely didn't work. telling him to stand the fuck up when he's talking to the group, suddenly doesn't want to have a 30+ minute conversation

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– lgbtqwtfbbq 12 points 3 years ago +12 / -0

Agile is a cult masquerading as a project management process.

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– Brennus 7 points 3 years ago +7 / -0

I’ve met very few people whose job is “project management” that I believe can manage to do the most basic of daily tasks without having to have 5 meetings about it. Followed up by a post mortem meeting on how they could more efficiently manage to waste even more of the actual talents time.

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– lgbtqwtfbbq 10 points 3 years ago +10 / -0

The only competent project managers I ever worked with were Systems Engineers, and that was because they were technically knowledgeable and capable of actually making a decision based on that technical knowledge.

Everyone I've met with a PMP cert has been worse than useless.

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– Brennus 8 points 3 years ago +8 / -0

About the same experience. The only person I know that I like to work with in project management is a guy who used to actually do the work we do and got into project management because he was sick of morons running things.

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– deleted 5 points 3 years ago +6 / -1
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– MargarineMongoose 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

As is any "project management process" with a branded name.

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– ArtemisFoul 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

I've been saying for a long time that Agile is like communism. It sounds good in theory, as long as you don't think about it at all, and then someone goes and implements it and suddenly there's no toilet paper to be found and 100 million people are dead. And then, some faggot comes in and says "but that wasn't real Agile!".

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– lgbtqwtfbbq 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

It's not just "some faggot": they all say it. I've yet to hear someone outright say "yes we are implementing Agile, no it isn't working for us, we were more efficient before we started doing this" even if all those things are objectively true.

And I'm not even convinced it "sounds good in theory", especially for small teams.

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– ArtemisFoul 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Hehe true.

It sounds "good in theory" the same way communism does - as long as the theory is presented as a vague idea and you don't go into literally any details and you don't think about it at all. Communism: We'll all be equal! Agile: We'll be more flexible! Going into any further detail reveals both to be horseshit, Communism is just feudalism, and Agile brings insane overhead and is more rigid than "muh waterfall" which is usually just a complete strawman when described by Agiletards, exactly like Capitalism when described by pinkos.

Really there are a disturbing number of parallels. It's not a coincidence that all the worst agile tards I've ever met were lefties. Both are unnatural systems that go directly against the natural way normal people work, and for that reason both require a high degree of highly authoritarian control to maintain the system, because without that control, people will just go back to doing what makes sense.

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– Assassin47 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

the original version

Did people stop standing up? Or is it because everyone started working from home?

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– captain-shitpost 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

yeah work from home makes it pointless to stand up. shit, i barely even get out of bed sometimes for it

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