Before the USS Liberty there was the Lavon Affair
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Israel actually paid reparations of $17, why you so mad?
also even if it happened, Israel already paid reparations, why are we still talking about this??
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I thought you guys were supposed to hate the Ukrainians (who of course are not even a real nation) now over here?
I don't think Moscow is in mood of paying reparations to Ukraine for a moment.
Lazar Kaganovich, whom you probably mean, too died in Moscow. In 1991. Never prosecuted nor otherwise held responsible, his fall was merely due to the Party rivalry (expelled by his former protege Krustchev, who also organized Holo for Stalin).
Ukrainians wanted to prosecute him posthumously. That will have to wait due to current events.
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They killed JFK (and killed Micahel Collins Piper for showing it was Mossad), it's upsetting when it hits you how bad things are. I don't know how to help those around me. Everyone is conditioned not to look into these boxes.
If they can't figure out 9/11 by now, it's just become a hopeless situation.
JFK was absolutely shot by Lee Harvey Oswald, and the ballistics are one of the most important reasons why. Also, in his attempt to flee, he murdered a cop, and tried to shoot the officers who arrested him in the theater.
As for 9/11, if you can't figure out that the people in Al Qaeda who admitted doing it, practiced doing it, were funded to do it, and were part of a larger plan that had been known about almost years ahead of time, were the ones that did it. I really don't know what to tell you.
It's not thermite, buddy.
Perhaps Oswald shot at JFK, but how did he get down those stairs so fast (after wiping all his fingerprints off the rifle and stashing it away) and not even be breathing hard? Standing by a payphone as if awaiting a call?
EDIT: He was first seen drinking a coke in the cafeteria, a cop ran in and found him standing beside a payphone, later one presumes.
2 witnesses (both Black) said Oswald was talking to a man in a trench coat when the police rolled up on them, and that the trench coat man ran off after the shooting. They didn't actually see the shot, iirc.
I know he punched the first officer in the face, but don't recall him being armed (he'd dropped 'his pistol' at the policeman's shooting). Might be mistaken on that.
EDIT: He dropped the 4 shell casings from his revolver, and left substantial other evidence behind at the scene as well. He did have the pistol in the theater, but didn't shoot anyone there.
The whole JFK fiasco will likely never be resolved, since they re-classified all the evidence for another 50 (iirc) years.
what are they hiding if it was a straight forward assassination by an individual
That it was funded/lead by the CIA in response to JFK wanting to shut it down.
Where has there been any documentation that JFK wanted to shut the CIA down. Thought he rejected some of their efforts, I've yet to see anything regarding them actually being in danger of being closed.
On top of that, consider what they did with Jimmy Carter. They conducted a full-scale war in Angola, and straight up didn't fucking tell him. This made the Soviets repeatedly confused, and assume Carter and the State Department were repeatedly acting in bad faith during negotiations when they knew what the CIA was up to, but Carter didn't.
The CIA is filled with professional liars. Why not just, you know, lie? Why would you need to assassinate a president. Fucking Nancy Pelosi got her computers raided when they released the torture memo. Again: no murders, just lies.
I thought the "scatter into a thousand pieces" thing was him wanting to shut down the intelligence agencies.
It was apparently from the New York Times, quoted after his death, by an unnamed source:
Now, far be it from me to question the integrity of The Gray Lady, but this is about as loose of a quote on Kennedy as the one about Nixon actively seeking to target black people with anti-crime laws. (It was an alleged quote from Erlichman, several years after both Nixon and Erlichman were dead, after the author hadn't said a word nearly 9 years after the interview, and all of the surviving members of Nixon's cabinet denied it).
That being said, I'd bet that he was absolutely fucking pissed at the CIA failing as spectacularly as it did with the Bay of Pigs invasion. They were arrogant, a whole bunch of people got slaughtered, it became an international scandal, and Kennedy got blamed personally. That doesn't necessarily mean he wanted to dissolve the CIA. Think about how many people the FBI went after, and yet no one even made an attempt to break them up.
Considering all the other intelligence agencies that existed without public knowledge at the time, and that Kennedy was still happy to work with, I doubt that his attitude would be against dissolving the entire security state apparatus. At most it would be just re-organizing the CIA so it stopped fucking up and getting him in trouble.
Exactly. The purpose of the Warren Commission (and coincidentally the 9/11 commission had a similar mission statement) was to 'prove JFK was assassinated by a lone gunman' or something to that effect. I have a paperback copy of the Warren Report and there it was, in the preface or introduction. I can't recall if Oswald was named, I think so? But clearly most of the men gathered did NOT like JFK at all, they were stooges who would do as they were told.
The evidence they focused on is matched by the evidence they ignored, or by the false evidence they claimed was true :<
I'm not sure I agree with any of those claims, but lets treat them at face value. I've literally descended several flights of stairs in a hurry and controlled my breathing and movement quite easily, because I also watched the JFK film from the 90's and have occasionally tested that. It's pretty easy to disguise your movements or distress if you've practiced it a few times.
In the theater? That's when the police actually approached him. He had a gun on him at the time.
Well, considering the cop was shot to death, he probably did a bit more than that.
As I recall, Oswald was being pursued, not for murdering JFK, but for the officer's shooting, because that was who witnesses originally identified.
No, when he shot the police officer on the street. JD Tippet, just 40 minutes after JFK was shot. He didn't shoot anyone in the theater, afaik.
He seems to have dropped the shell casings at that scene, so he did have his pistol at the theater? But he never shot anyone there.
There's also speculation that Oswald was inside the theater already when Tippet was shot... or arrived there minutes later when it was a long walk away :/
really long article, full of questionable stuff they explore ALL the possible theories regarding Tippet's shooting.
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Also: the Dallas police force received (iirc) 300+ 'tips' on Oswald's location, but for the tips from a shoemaker and a theater worker they sent a LOT of men to a single theater. This would support the idea that Oswald was trying to contact his 'handler' as theaters were VERY often used as contact points back then. Possibly still are?
Iirc they had leaflets out with Oswald's picture on them & distributed within
an hour?in under 30 minutes. Rather remarkable since there were no Kinkos back then.I could be mistaken, but the endless parade of "questionable facts" in the Official Story are just too much to overlook. That and the history of all governments to lie to their own people with impunity.
Anyhow, it's always interesting to discuss and research the subject. I learned a bunch just now :>
... so nor is America? I don't get what you're aiming at.
They were Jews first, Egyptians second.
The same is true in ever other nation.