What's in the OP isn't a bunch of Poles, Estonians and Romanians, it's a bunch of american le redditors who until four days ago had no idea Ukraine even existed because they were 8 years old the last time it was in the news, and will forget about it three days after it gets old and bumped off the headlines by the latest manufactured crisis.
it's a bunch of american le redditors who until four days ago had no idea Ukraine even existed because they were 8 years old the last time it was in the news, and will forget about it three days after it gets old and bumped off the headlines by the latest manufactured crisis.
You could say the same for those who claim here that this is a fight against globohomo or whatever. Look at the guy in a poster above, sitting at +30/0, proud that he didn't know where Ukraine was until 5 days ago and talking about this being an "internal USSR regional dispute". He's proud of being ignorant AND manages to greatly demonstrate that in the line right after. Seriously guys? Why take a side then. No different than the Redditors in the OP.
Still, the user I was replying to said:
It's not anyone's fight but Russia/Ukraine's.
Which is literally false. Russian attacking another sovereign nation is a lot of people's fight.
Please look up the history of Ukraine. You can use wiki, but the recent edits are a bit if a laugh. You are technically correct in calling Ukraine a sovereign nation, but using that as a point of argument makes your ignorance blatantly obvious.
Why would I think anything is "legal". I'm asking you to distance yourself from this type of thinking because no one, influential (the actual players), are operating under such assumptions.
You see this in various fields, but when it comes to the world stage it is just incredibly odd to cite. It will lead to poor predictions and allow you to be hoodwinked by irrelevant arguments.
It's as if your friends are bloodying each other's noses over the results of a new board game and you keep quoting rules from Hasbro.
I understand the assumptions you are operating under, but civility/sovereignty are contracts not states of being.
And proposing that the fight for Ukraine is an attempt to preserve this contract is just fucking hilarious coming from the mouths of the usual suspects.
What's in the OP isn't a bunch of Poles, Estonians and Romanians, it's a bunch of american le redditors who until four days ago had no idea Ukraine even existed because they were 8 years old the last time it was in the news, and will forget about it three days after it gets old and bumped off the headlines by the latest manufactured crisis.
You could say the same for those who claim here that this is a fight against globohomo or whatever. Look at the guy in a poster above, sitting at +30/0, proud that he didn't know where Ukraine was until 5 days ago and talking about this being an "internal USSR regional dispute". He's proud of being ignorant AND manages to greatly demonstrate that in the line right after. Seriously guys? Why take a side then. No different than the Redditors in the OP.
Still, the user I was replying to said:
Which is literally false. Russian attacking another sovereign nation is a lot of people's fight.
Please look up the history of Ukraine. You can use wiki, but the recent edits are a bit if a laugh. You are technically correct in calling Ukraine a sovereign nation, but using that as a point of argument makes your ignorance blatantly obvious.
What's your argument exactly? Do you think that Russia could legally annex Ida-Viru or Latgale as well?
Why would I think anything is "legal". I'm asking you to distance yourself from this type of thinking because no one, influential (the actual players), are operating under such assumptions.
You see this in various fields, but when it comes to the world stage it is just incredibly odd to cite. It will lead to poor predictions and allow you to be hoodwinked by irrelevant arguments.
It's as if your friends are bloodying each other's noses over the results of a new board game and you keep quoting rules from Hasbro.
I understand the assumptions you are operating under, but civility/sovereignty are contracts not states of being.
And proposing that the fight for Ukraine is an attempt to preserve this contract is just fucking hilarious coming from the mouths of the usual suspects.
EDIT: No idea why my messages don't show when logged now, but they do when not logged.