It very much did help. To date, Australia has recorded just 2,252 Covid related deaths. That's 87 per 1 million of its population.
In contrast;
US - 846,905 dead - 2,536 per million
UK - 148,624 dead - 2,172 per million
France - 123,741 dead - 1,889 per million.
Obviously, you can take all of these numbers with a massive grain of salt, but my argument is losing the unhealthiest 1-2% of your population is preferable to destroying the livelihoods and futures of the surviving 98%.
I don't feel the need to pretend lockdown doesn't work. I am content to look at the numbers and say that lockdown is immoral.
I would beg to differ.
I have to live here, and actually had to see all this go down, and deal with its consequences...
Did you ever consider that other factors might be at play, here..? Like, say, being an island, with fully closed borders? Or the weather? Or the population distribution..?
Come on, man, the UK had lockdowns, too. Not quite as strict as Melbourne, or as long, but your logic is completely bullshit, and I think you know it, too.
Lockdowns DID NOT save Australian lives, and your "justification" of their "merit" is complete horseshit.
the UK had lockdowns, too. Not quite as strict as Melbourne, or as long
Undstatement of the year.
We were watching aussie cops crack people's skulls against the ground for not wearing a mask whilst in the UK, I was walking into grocery stores, unmasked, and purchasing from unmasked staff with the only abnormal entity in sight being a plastic barrier between me and the cashier.
The sources they use are at the bottom. As far as I know they're all government/state media sources from respective regions.
Like I said, huge grains of salt all round, but I really don't see what you're getting your panties in a knot for. I'm not in favour of lockdowns, at all.
Masks don't work unless they're sealed, have an air filtration system and you never touch them. Even N95 masks provide very little in the way of protection unless used in a sterile environment:
There have been studies about this from decades ago showing that standard cloth masks don't work to reduce the spread of influenza-type diseases because they don't filter out the particulate matter, especially if they're unsealed:
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/15459620903120086
Common fabric materials and cloth masks showed a wide variation in penetration values for polydisperse (40–90%) as well as monodisperse aerosol particles in the 20–1000 nm range (40–97%) at 5.5 cm s−1 face velocity. The penetration levels obtained for fabric materials against both polydisperse and monodisperse aerosols were much higher than the value for the control N95 respirator filter media but were in the range found for some surgical masks in previous studies. Penetrations of monodisperse aerosol particles slightly increased at 16.5 cm s−1 face velocity, while polydisperse aerosols showed no significant effect except one fabric mask with an increase. The penetration values obtained for common fabric materials indicate that only marginal respiratory protection can be expected for submicron particles taking into consideration face seal leakage.
Thirty-two health care workers completed the study, resulting in 2464 subject days. There were 2 colds during this time period, 1 in each group. Of the 8 symptoms recorded daily, subjects in the mask group were significantly more likely to experience headache during the study period (P < .05). Subjects living with children were more likely to have high cold severity scores over the course of the study.
Face mask use in health care workers has not been demonstrated to provide benefit in terms of cold symptoms or getting colds. A larger study is needed to definitively establish noninferiority of no mask use.
TL;DR For public use, unless you're wearing a fully sealed mask that you NEVER touch, masks don't work.
Early data from Asian countries had a double correlation. Skinnier and masked nations had less problems than fatter, maskless nations.
When the virus swept Europe and North America, once, twice, thrice, mask mandates did not have this correlation to lower infections and fatalities, because it couldn't ride on the back of the actual factor in the initial results from Asian countries: it was obesity.
WuFlu is more effective at infecting respiratory tract cells and adipose cells. Obese people have a much, much higher viral load than skinny people. So more spread and worse symptoms for fatties. Fat people also synthetize less Vitamin D, and low vitamin D is a huge risk factor. So much that ewrly treatment with high doses of Vitamin D lowers hospitalisations and mortality significantly.
When compared to the US, Mexico, most of Europe, etc, Japan has an extremely low obesity rate, and their fat people are nowhere near the level of "fat" you picture when thinking about obese Americans.
Case in point, for 2021, Sweden has the lowest excess mortality in Europe and there never was a mask mandate or lockdown there ( they shut some schools and very large gatherings for a few weeks at some point, that's about it ).
If masks and lockdowns had a significant positive impact, Sweden would not be sitting near the bottom of excess mortality for 2020 and at the very bottom for 2021.
Heavy social distancing is the only thing that works, and that's economic suicide.
That clearly does not work, either...
I'm sorry, but Australia tried that, and yeah, nah, didn't help either. So, uhh, no.
It very much did help. To date, Australia has recorded just 2,252 Covid related deaths. That's 87 per 1 million of its population.
In contrast;
US - 846,905 dead - 2,536 per million
UK - 148,624 dead - 2,172 per million
France - 123,741 dead - 1,889 per million.
Obviously, you can take all of these numbers with a massive grain of salt, but my argument is losing the unhealthiest 1-2% of your population is preferable to destroying the livelihoods and futures of the surviving 98%.
I don't feel the need to pretend lockdown doesn't work. I am content to look at the numbers and say that lockdown is immoral.
I would beg to differ. I have to live here, and actually had to see all this go down, and deal with its consequences...
Did you ever consider that other factors might be at play, here..? Like, say, being an island, with fully closed borders? Or the weather? Or the population distribution..?
Come on, man, the UK had lockdowns, too. Not quite as strict as Melbourne, or as long, but your logic is completely bullshit, and I think you know it, too.
Lockdowns DID NOT save Australian lives, and your "justification" of their "merit" is complete horseshit.
Undstatement of the year.
We were watching aussie cops crack people's skulls against the ground for not wearing a mask whilst in the UK, I was walking into grocery stores, unmasked, and purchasing from unmasked staff with the only abnormal entity in sight being a plastic barrier between me and the cashier.
Where are you even pulling that data from, anyway..?
Because I can poke oh-so-many holes in it, but I would absolutely LOVE to know your source, for that claim...
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
The sources they use are at the bottom. As far as I know they're all government/state media sources from respective regions.
Like I said, huge grains of salt all round, but I really don't see what you're getting your panties in a knot for. I'm not in favour of lockdowns, at all.
Get the fuck out of here you communist faggot.
Ah yes "Heavy social distancing is economic suicide" sure sounds exactly what a communist faggot would say doesn't it?
You fucking brainless 85 IQ retard. You wouldn't exist in a world with eugenics.
`> social distancing
`> works
lol, no
You're the brainlet here, or did you forget that the virus includes animals in its host reservoir?
I can't remember the last time I was within 10 feet animal for more than 5 seconds.
They've been using existing drugs to treat the virus though, so there's more variables at play than muh masks.
Masks don't work unless they're sealed, have an air filtration system and you never touch them. Even N95 masks provide very little in the way of protection unless used in a sterile environment:
There have been studies about this from decades ago showing that standard cloth masks don't work to reduce the spread of influenza-type diseases because they don't filter out the particulate matter, especially if they're unsealed: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/15459620903120086
Here's the results from one study done back in 2010: https://academic.oup.com/annweh/article/54/7/789/202744
And here's a study specifically related to healthcare professionals wearing masks in Japan: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19216002/
The results...
TL;DR For public use, unless you're wearing a fully sealed mask that you NEVER touch, masks don't work.
Early data from Asian countries had a double correlation. Skinnier and masked nations had less problems than fatter, maskless nations.
When the virus swept Europe and North America, once, twice, thrice, mask mandates did not have this correlation to lower infections and fatalities, because it couldn't ride on the back of the actual factor in the initial results from Asian countries: it was obesity.
WuFlu is more effective at infecting respiratory tract cells and adipose cells. Obese people have a much, much higher viral load than skinny people. So more spread and worse symptoms for fatties. Fat people also synthetize less Vitamin D, and low vitamin D is a huge risk factor. So much that ewrly treatment with high doses of Vitamin D lowers hospitalisations and mortality significantly.
When compared to the US, Mexico, most of Europe, etc, Japan has an extremely low obesity rate, and their fat people are nowhere near the level of "fat" you picture when thinking about obese Americans.
Case in point, for 2021, Sweden has the lowest excess mortality in Europe and there never was a mask mandate or lockdown there ( they shut some schools and very large gatherings for a few weeks at some point, that's about it ).
If masks and lockdowns had a significant positive impact, Sweden would not be sitting near the bottom of excess mortality for 2020 and at the very bottom for 2021.
I don't know enough about Japan's social distancing measures to comment.
Other places (Africa, India) are densely populated and don't wear masks and number of cases is low or unheard of.