The sources they use are at the bottom. As far as I know they're all government/state media sources from respective regions.
Like I said, huge grains of salt all round, but I really don't see what you're getting your panties in a knot for. I'm not in favour of lockdowns, at all.
The whole point is that you are wrong about what “worked” in Aus, and you are twisting the numbers to suit your narrative, which is murkily close to the state-ist narrative…
Lockdowns DID NOT “reduce Australian deaths”. Several other factors, including simply when the virus hit, physical geography, and being a fucking island, in the middle of nowhere, probably did. But not fucking lockdowns, no matter how you might try and swing, or how you might tell me “but I don’t support them, I swear!”
You’ve already admitted that they aren’t worth the cost. I’m trying to tell you that they DO NOT WORK, either.
I will at least give you this: you seem willing to admit that, even if these lockdowns, and abolishing all in-person contact forever, DO work (temporarily), the cost is too damn high…
Because, see, I, for one, categorically cannot live like we did in lockdown, forever. I would literally rather die. I know I’m not alone in that. So if the cost for “preventing deaths” is destroying society to the point where it no longer functions, and causing us all to no longer be able to do ANYTHING in person..? AND cracking people’s skulls, as you explained, if they resist, in enforcing it..??
I think even you can admit that would NEVER be worth it, even to “save grandma” or however this shit continues to be “justified”…
I will at least give you this: you seem willing to admit that, even if these lockdowns, and abolishing all in-person contact forever, DO work (temporarily), the cost is too damn high…
Not just that, but the way I see it, unless the whole world does it - which they haven't - all the heavy-lockdown states like Australia might really have accomplished is delaying the pandemic in their territory to a later date.
Even if they manage to virtually eliminate the virus in their country, whilst the virus is endemic overseas, they're in the situation where the second they open their borders again, they'll have to deal with the virus again.
If the vaccine antibodies prove useless against a variant with the same fatality rate as delta, Australia's lockdowns will have succeeded only in delaying the inevitable, at great cost.
I think even you can admit that would NEVER be worth it, even to “save grandma” or however this shit continues to be “justified”…
I never, ever thought grandma was, statistically, worth saving. She'll be dead in 10 years anyway.
Sorry, but this one matters. I’m not giving you ground, here, because this is fundamentally important to how we got to this point - people believing that these measures “work”, when they do not…
There's nothing to for you to give to me. Unless you think the countries with 'zero covid' lockdown policies are artificially deflating their deaths, and everyone else is artificially inflating their deaths, then the offical numbers have already given it to me regardless of your opinion.
It works, and I don't fucking care that it works because it simply is not worth the fucking cost.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
The sources they use are at the bottom. As far as I know they're all government/state media sources from respective regions.
Like I said, huge grains of salt all round, but I really don't see what you're getting your panties in a knot for. I'm not in favour of lockdowns, at all.
The whole point is that you are wrong about what “worked” in Aus, and you are twisting the numbers to suit your narrative, which is murkily close to the state-ist narrative…
Lockdowns DID NOT “reduce Australian deaths”. Several other factors, including simply when the virus hit, physical geography, and being a fucking island, in the middle of nowhere, probably did. But not fucking lockdowns, no matter how you might try and swing, or how you might tell me “but I don’t support them, I swear!”
You’ve already admitted that they aren’t worth the cost. I’m trying to tell you that they DO NOT WORK, either.
You can’t have your cake and eat it too, here…
I will at least give you this: you seem willing to admit that, even if these lockdowns, and abolishing all in-person contact forever, DO work (temporarily), the cost is too damn high…
Because, see, I, for one, categorically cannot live like we did in lockdown, forever. I would literally rather die. I know I’m not alone in that. So if the cost for “preventing deaths” is destroying society to the point where it no longer functions, and causing us all to no longer be able to do ANYTHING in person..? AND cracking people’s skulls, as you explained, if they resist, in enforcing it..??
I think even you can admit that would NEVER be worth it, even to “save grandma” or however this shit continues to be “justified”…
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Not just that, but the way I see it, unless the whole world does it - which they haven't - all the heavy-lockdown states like Australia might really have accomplished is delaying the pandemic in their territory to a later date.
Even if they manage to virtually eliminate the virus in their country, whilst the virus is endemic overseas, they're in the situation where the second they open their borders again, they'll have to deal with the virus again.
Something like 71% of the UK population has covid antibodies in them now, either through vaccination or some degree of low-level infection. I don't know what that's like in Australia, but according to https://www.mja.com.au/journal/2020/seroprevalence-sars-cov-2-specific-antibodies-sydney-australia-following-first, in november last year, it was just 1%.
If the vaccine antibodies prove useless against a variant with the same fatality rate as delta, Australia's lockdowns will have succeeded only in delaying the inevitable, at great cost.
I never, ever thought grandma was, statistically, worth saving. She'll be dead in 10 years anyway.
Sorry, but this one matters. I’m not giving you ground, here, because this is fundamentally important to how we got to this point - people believing that these measures “work”, when they do not…
There's nothing to for you to give to me. Unless you think the countries with 'zero covid' lockdown policies are artificially deflating their deaths, and everyone else is artificially inflating their deaths, then the offical numbers have already given it to me regardless of your opinion.
It works, and I don't fucking care that it works because it simply is not worth the fucking cost.