As the article says, manga and anime is just so varied.
This is something Western SJW types don't understand; to attract a wide range of potential audiences, you have to actually make something that appeals to them. Some people do not want loud leftist political messages and doom and gloom.
Manga and anime goes all the way from high concepts to super everyday stuff, but it also has a bunch of specialised, niche topics. Like anime about... a freaking high school swimming team. Or about a boy going to agriculture school (this is a super down-to-earth series, from the author of FMA, a high concept series).
With SJW Western things, you have ridiculous, nonsensical sci-fi/fantasy (a world where woman can only say a certain number of words and such bullcrap) or very low concept, but that's always about the characters being "queer" or "BIPOC". They have nothing interesting going on, just being a lebian with a shaved head. So they lose their purpose; there is no story, but also you can't just relax to it, because it's fearmongering bullshit and pity porn.
Anime and manga also have a way broader spectrum of allowed topics and ways to handle them. Western media at this point is ridiculously limiting.
Talking about FMA, Scar is a character who is portrayed as scary. You can understand he is a traumatised person who was seriously wronged. But he did horrible things because of his rage and that makes him complex. Not all of his decisions are great and he has to go through an arch of realising and changing his ways.
Do you think SJW types would wrtie something like that? A victim becoming the aggressor, then realising he is a monster and changing his ways? No. Their pet victim characters can never do anything wrong, their actions are always justified.
They don't dare to do emotionally conflicting things and so their sotries lose weight. Remember when Kamala Khan, a civillian, created an illegal prison with her friends and kidnapped people for actual THOUGHTCRIME and we were supposed to yass kween?
Right? In the West, every single piece has to appeal to everyone. Meanwhile in Japan they seem to be content with reaching a more limited audience, in exchange for creating an authentic piece of a story.
Your last point is interesting, especially when it comes to how communal and societal duties are valued higher in Asia than in the West, but they still have an industry that is far more individualistic than Western media. It's fucked, I tell you.
I actually think a huge reason why Jujutsu Kaisen is so successful is because it knows its own bounds. It's super competently done when it comes to everything is does, but it also doesn't try to be more than what it is. It's not mean-spirited and doesn't try to insult anyone. Yes, it is self-aware when it comes to shounen as a genre, but in a friendly and loving way.
Which is why I think it's awesome.
Only seen like 15 eps of Demon Slayer, so I don't know much about it, but I suspect it's something similar.
Also, with both, I just love how the main characters are such good kids. Simple, nice, not bratty or conceited. Most of my entertainment is books, I am a literature slut, but the way Western authors write teenagers is fucking awful. They are such nasty little shits and they have no consequences coming.
So that's why I find Yuuji Itadori to be hugely refreshing. Kid is such a little brother type, it's insane.
I just love how the main characters are such good kids. Simple, nice, not bratty or conceited.
That's one of my favorite things about anime really. It's seems like most of the kid characters at least try to be good people. I was just having to explain this to some family last weekend. I've got one little cousin who's into anime and also really shy and when she's not around they talk about her like she's some weird freak. They were saying she should watch "normal" shows, so I had to educate them a bit that anime is full of good stuff for kids. Demon Slayer funny enough is her favorite show, and it's full of work hard to earn what you want, do the right thing, fight for those you care about, etc. Waaay better than the awful western stuff aimed at that group.
Right? I absolutely love how in that story, the love between the boy and his sister is a central point. it's so adorable how he interacts with his little sister, who is basically "sick".
Funny enough, that should be a message normally SJW type scream about supporting; supportive and loving relationships and understanding towards people who are disabled/ill/have issues.
Also, it's so pretty. No noodle limbs, no intentionally repulsive art style.
The patterns and colours of the clothes are so gorgeous. All the characters have their personal pattern/colour combos. I totally get why it appeals to young girls.
(it's also marketing genius, so much room for subtle and everyday-life-compatible merch)
Meanwhile in Japan they seem to be content with reaching a more limited audience
Sometimes but it also includes the broader appeal in other ways.
Using some of the more popular Anime/Mange out there, Naruto, Bleach, and MHA all have far, far larger cast lists than most Western Comics do these days.
Justice League is 7 core members with the occasional cameos of what is the Justice League "Unlimited" members showing up as needed by plot despite those characters always being present. There are even spinoffs like Justice League Dark dealing with magical stories that the main comic doesn't really touch on but overall it's still the same collective group they just get compartmentalized for Western consoomers.
Meanwhile Bleach had the core characters of Ichigo, Rukia, Orihime, Chad, Uryu, and eventually Renji, the vice captain of the 6th Division [of 13, plus the Kido corps and "assassination" group which one of the 13 Division captains also runs].
So roughly 5 "main" characters floating around the protagonist. Then you have as secondary characters every other captain and vice captain of the remaining 13 Divisions, so that's roughly another 26 characters, then the occasional 3rd seat for some Divisions who were recurring, like Yumichika, then you had the Espada and later the Wandenreich creating a massive character list that the fandom knew all the names of.
Same thing happens with Naruto and Boruto since it's essentially "Ninja School: The Musical Shonen" . Main team of 3 including the titular protag, their captain, several other teams of classmates, their captains. The various bad guys they fight over the years including some that were only around for a few issues and were at the very, very start of things.
MHA again does this since it's an actual classroom format, so the protag's class of 1-A has 20 "main characters", their teacher, whatever mentors characters in the class have amongst the staff: All Might, Endeavor, Hawks, Best Jeanist, Midnight, Present Mic, etc, other characters: Mirio, Nejire, Amajiki, Eri, Hatsume, etc. Then there's their neighboring class 1-B which shows up from time to time and gets more facetime as things progress. And then finally there are the villains.
One of the most beloved "minor" MHA classmates outside of the main protags is Mashirao Ojiro because he ticks a lot of the traditionally honorable traits that Japan favors. He recuses himself from an ongoing contest after he feels the way he progressed through previous rounds was done in ways that meant he hadn't actually done anything or was ethically fair because he was literally mind controlled onto a winning team.
"I know this is a great opportunity. And I know how stupid it must seem to throw it away... but this final tournament... everyone else made it here by their own strength. Yet I'm standing here, and I don't even know how or why. I just can't take it."
He's the closest character in the series to the Monkey King/Son Goku/Sun Wukong trope so many Japanese/Asian stories cover because of his appearance and behavior at times [his superpower is a literal prehensile tail he uses for combat]. Readers love him something fierce.
And that's just three of the bigger series which are like this. Anime/manga casts are massive compared to a lot of Western media and quite often those massive casts are recurring throughout a series from start to finish.
I would argue the opposite. The West is NO LONGER profit based. It's focused on GIBS from Larry Fink and NGO's and there is no longer an ideological distinction from the market and the State. When there's no free market there's no incentive to have anything of quality. The East is likely not far behind.
That's what I especially hate, they're not even creative enough to come up with a metaphor that's accessible to all audiences, they just pull out some "durrrr police brutality" shit over and over and it's tiring.
It also assumes some kind of a universal "fate" where no matter the setting, the exact same shit happens. Like black-ish looking people are always victims. Women are always victims.
Like you can build up a whole planet from 0 and it still ends up with the exact same people getting the exact same outcome. Does that mean they are destined to suck?
Holy shit, HP is almost isekai, I just understood this and you blew my mind a bit. :D
Like you can build up a whole planet from 0 and it still ends up with the exact same people getting the exact same outcome. Does that mean they are destined to suck?
You accidentally stumbled into one of the oldest and most divisive philosophical arguments.
Does a man choose his fate, or is it chosen for him?
Much of what the SJW types write is unintentionally based because they will unwittingly touch on the truths of reality without realizing.
Blacks and women are glorified children without agency and are subject to the whims of the divine.
Strong white men have the ability to break divine conditioning.
Compare and contrast the story and plot setups from recent comics between something like Iron Heart (black female child iron man) and the Red Skull. It's hilarious how blatant it is and the writers have no clue what they're doing.
goes back to at least Alice in Wonderland and probably a lot further
A lot further considering Lewis Carroll wasn't born until 1832 and other stories such as Snow White and Sleeping Beauty were around before then. Snow White was published back in 1812 by the Brothers Grimm and Sleeping Beauty can stretch as far back as the 14th century.
While not entirely embracing the isekai concept of "character finds out they are special and gets a fantastical life" the aforementioned stories still revolve around the protag being special in some way that the story revolves around them and isn't even limited to such romance stories like those above. The 'Kingsman' films are the male equivalent where a random young adult male finds out he has a special life and gets whisked away to become a super-spy because of the secret life his father had.
Spoilers ahead.
Sure the Kingsman story still requires the protag to put in the effort to get through the training but the basic premise remains that "a good man suddenly finds himself in a new world because he's special". Even his failures repeatedly end up being merits considering his crappy life is only crappy because he drops out the army to take care of his family, and he fails the training because he's empathic and doesn't want to shoot the dog he adopts which then ends up leaving him as one of the few people left to actually stop the world domination plot.
One thing that irked me with western comics: I would buy a book/magazine to read certain stories, but then the next issue would feature a skip in chapters because the in-between part was featured in some other character's magazine.
I don't want to read 26 different magazine just to follow a single character/theme/hero
Do you think SJW types would wrtie something like that? A victim becoming the aggressor, then realising he is a monster and changing his ways? No. Their pet victim characters can never do anything wrong, their actions are always justified.
I don't think SJW authors are capable of the depth of thinking necessary. Either they're good, in which case, why did the author portray them making a mistake - everybody knows good people don't make mistakes, because good people follow SJW ideology, which is at all times flawless - or they're bad, in which case why do they get a redemption? There is no redemption in the SocJus pantheon, merely somebody you've not completely destroyed yet because they retain some utility.
Well, obviously, that's only my impression of them, but you tell me - that sounds pretty accurate, doesn't it?
And of course they don't want to think about their moral system. Their moral system is a cult and is designed to shut down independent thought in order to retain compliance.
There is no greater crime than THOUGHTCRIME, for it spawns saboteurs and wreckers which will hinder the glorious progress we are making towards a better tomorrow and even worse it will spread like a disease among the feeble minded, how can you argue that they should not be locked up and behind bars...
Anyhow yes I remember the insanity which infest the modern comics industry, And its gaze is looking east to devour all competition, domestic or foreign, it is the only method in which it can survive.
As the article says, manga and anime is just so varied.
This is something Western SJW types don't understand; to attract a wide range of potential audiences, you have to actually make something that appeals to them. Some people do not want loud leftist political messages and doom and gloom.
Manga and anime goes all the way from high concepts to super everyday stuff, but it also has a bunch of specialised, niche topics. Like anime about... a freaking high school swimming team. Or about a boy going to agriculture school (this is a super down-to-earth series, from the author of FMA, a high concept series).
With SJW Western things, you have ridiculous, nonsensical sci-fi/fantasy (a world where woman can only say a certain number of words and such bullcrap) or very low concept, but that's always about the characters being "queer" or "BIPOC". They have nothing interesting going on, just being a lebian with a shaved head. So they lose their purpose; there is no story, but also you can't just relax to it, because it's fearmongering bullshit and pity porn.
Anime and manga also have a way broader spectrum of allowed topics and ways to handle them. Western media at this point is ridiculously limiting.
Talking about FMA, Scar is a character who is portrayed as scary. You can understand he is a traumatised person who was seriously wronged. But he did horrible things because of his rage and that makes him complex. Not all of his decisions are great and he has to go through an arch of realising and changing his ways.
Do you think SJW types would wrtie something like that? A victim becoming the aggressor, then realising he is a monster and changing his ways? No. Their pet victim characters can never do anything wrong, their actions are always justified.
They don't dare to do emotionally conflicting things and so their sotries lose weight. Remember when Kamala Khan, a civillian, created an illegal prison with her friends and kidnapped people for actual THOUGHTCRIME and we were supposed to yass kween?
Right? In the West, every single piece has to appeal to everyone. Meanwhile in Japan they seem to be content with reaching a more limited audience, in exchange for creating an authentic piece of a story.
Your last point is interesting, especially when it comes to how communal and societal duties are valued higher in Asia than in the West, but they still have an industry that is far more individualistic than Western media. It's fucked, I tell you.
I actually think a huge reason why Jujutsu Kaisen is so successful is because it knows its own bounds. It's super competently done when it comes to everything is does, but it also doesn't try to be more than what it is. It's not mean-spirited and doesn't try to insult anyone. Yes, it is self-aware when it comes to shounen as a genre, but in a friendly and loving way.
Which is why I think it's awesome.
Only seen like 15 eps of Demon Slayer, so I don't know much about it, but I suspect it's something similar.
Also, with both, I just love how the main characters are such good kids. Simple, nice, not bratty or conceited. Most of my entertainment is books, I am a literature slut, but the way Western authors write teenagers is fucking awful. They are such nasty little shits and they have no consequences coming.
So that's why I find Yuuji Itadori to be hugely refreshing. Kid is such a little brother type, it's insane.
That's one of my favorite things about anime really. It's seems like most of the kid characters at least try to be good people. I was just having to explain this to some family last weekend. I've got one little cousin who's into anime and also really shy and when she's not around they talk about her like she's some weird freak. They were saying she should watch "normal" shows, so I had to educate them a bit that anime is full of good stuff for kids. Demon Slayer funny enough is her favorite show, and it's full of work hard to earn what you want, do the right thing, fight for those you care about, etc. Waaay better than the awful western stuff aimed at that group.
Right? I absolutely love how in that story, the love between the boy and his sister is a central point. it's so adorable how he interacts with his little sister, who is basically "sick".
Funny enough, that should be a message normally SJW type scream about supporting; supportive and loving relationships and understanding towards people who are disabled/ill/have issues.
Also, it's so pretty. No noodle limbs, no intentionally repulsive art style.
The patterns and colours of the clothes are so gorgeous. All the characters have their personal pattern/colour combos. I totally get why it appeals to young girls.
(it's also marketing genius, so much room for subtle and everyday-life-compatible merch)
Sometimes but it also includes the broader appeal in other ways.
Using some of the more popular Anime/Mange out there, Naruto, Bleach, and MHA all have far, far larger cast lists than most Western Comics do these days.
Justice League is 7 core members with the occasional cameos of what is the Justice League "Unlimited" members showing up as needed by plot despite those characters always being present. There are even spinoffs like Justice League Dark dealing with magical stories that the main comic doesn't really touch on but overall it's still the same collective group they just get compartmentalized for Western consoomers.
Meanwhile Bleach had the core characters of Ichigo, Rukia, Orihime, Chad, Uryu, and eventually Renji, the vice captain of the 6th Division [of 13, plus the Kido corps and "assassination" group which one of the 13 Division captains also runs]. So roughly 5 "main" characters floating around the protagonist. Then you have as secondary characters every other captain and vice captain of the remaining 13 Divisions, so that's roughly another 26 characters, then the occasional 3rd seat for some Divisions who were recurring, like Yumichika, then you had the Espada and later the Wandenreich creating a massive character list that the fandom knew all the names of.
Same thing happens with Naruto and Boruto since it's essentially "Ninja School: The
MusicalShonen" . Main team of 3 including the titular protag, their captain, several other teams of classmates, their captains. The various bad guys they fight over the years including some that were only around for a few issues and were at the very, very start of things.MHA again does this since it's an actual classroom format, so the protag's class of 1-A has 20 "main characters", their teacher, whatever mentors characters in the class have amongst the staff: All Might, Endeavor, Hawks, Best Jeanist, Midnight, Present Mic, etc, other characters: Mirio, Nejire, Amajiki, Eri, Hatsume, etc. Then there's their neighboring class 1-B which shows up from time to time and gets more facetime as things progress. And then finally there are the villains. One of the most beloved "minor" MHA classmates outside of the main protags is Mashirao Ojiro because he ticks a lot of the traditionally honorable traits that Japan favors. He recuses himself from an ongoing contest after he feels the way he progressed through previous rounds was done in ways that meant he hadn't actually done anything or was ethically fair because he was literally mind controlled onto a winning team.
He's the closest character in the series to the Monkey King/Son Goku/Sun Wukong trope so many Japanese/Asian stories cover because of his appearance and behavior at times [his superpower is a literal prehensile tail he uses for combat]. Readers love him something fierce.
And that's just three of the bigger series which are like this. Anime/manga casts are massive compared to a lot of Western media and quite often those massive casts are recurring throughout a series from start to finish.
I would argue the opposite. The West is NO LONGER profit based. It's focused on GIBS from Larry Fink and NGO's and there is no longer an ideological distinction from the market and the State. When there's no free market there's no incentive to have anything of quality. The East is likely not far behind.
It also assumes some kind of a universal "fate" where no matter the setting, the exact same shit happens. Like black-ish looking people are always victims. Women are always victims.
Like you can build up a whole planet from 0 and it still ends up with the exact same people getting the exact same outcome. Does that mean they are destined to suck?
Holy shit, HP is almost isekai, I just understood this and you blew my mind a bit. :D
You accidentally stumbled into one of the oldest and most divisive philosophical arguments.
Does a man choose his fate, or is it chosen for him?
Much of what the SJW types write is unintentionally based because they will unwittingly touch on the truths of reality without realizing.
Blacks and women are glorified children without agency and are subject to the whims of the divine.
Strong white men have the ability to break divine conditioning.
Compare and contrast the story and plot setups from recent comics between something like Iron Heart (black female child iron man) and the Red Skull. It's hilarious how blatant it is and the writers have no clue what they're doing.
A lot further considering Lewis Carroll wasn't born until 1832 and other stories such as Snow White and Sleeping Beauty were around before then. Snow White was published back in 1812 by the Brothers Grimm and Sleeping Beauty can stretch as far back as the 14th century.
While not entirely embracing the isekai concept of "character finds out they are special and gets a fantastical life" the aforementioned stories still revolve around the protag being special in some way that the story revolves around them and isn't even limited to such romance stories like those above. The 'Kingsman' films are the male equivalent where a random young adult male finds out he has a special life and gets whisked away to become a super-spy because of the secret life his father had.
Spoilers ahead.
Sure the Kingsman story still requires the protag to put in the effort to get through the training but the basic premise remains that "a good man suddenly finds himself in a new world because he's special". Even his failures repeatedly end up being merits considering his crappy life is only crappy because he drops out the army to take care of his family, and he fails the training because he's empathic and doesn't want to shoot the dog he adopts which then ends up leaving him as one of the few people left to actually stop the world domination plot.
One thing that irked me with western comics: I would buy a book/magazine to read certain stories, but then the next issue would feature a skip in chapters because the in-between part was featured in some other character's magazine.
I don't want to read 26 different magazine just to follow a single character/theme/hero
I don't think SJW authors are capable of the depth of thinking necessary. Either they're good, in which case, why did the author portray them making a mistake - everybody knows good people don't make mistakes, because good people follow SJW ideology, which is at all times flawless - or they're bad, in which case why do they get a redemption? There is no redemption in the SocJus pantheon, merely somebody you've not completely destroyed yet because they retain some utility.
That's just so sad. They don't want to be conflicted or really think about their morals and where they exactly stand.
Well, obviously, that's only my impression of them, but you tell me - that sounds pretty accurate, doesn't it?
And of course they don't want to think about their moral system. Their moral system is a cult and is designed to shut down independent thought in order to retain compliance.
There is no greater crime than THOUGHTCRIME, for it spawns saboteurs and wreckers which will hinder the glorious progress we are making towards a better tomorrow and even worse it will spread like a disease among the feeble minded, how can you argue that they should not be locked up and behind bars...
Anyhow yes I remember the insanity which infest the modern comics industry, And its gaze is looking east to devour all competition, domestic or foreign, it is the only method in which it can survive.
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