It honestly wouldn't surprise me if a lot of the new cars selling now a days will need full rebuilds or major work done after 8 years. With all these new emissions requirements they're forcing people to follow, I've heard some diesel trucks require $Thousands in maintenance even after 3-4 years.
They took vehicles with engines that used to last 1M miles and fucked them up to the point where you're probably gonna spend like $10k in the first 100k miles on replacement parts/fixes.
i think its more often tranny problems. across multiple brands the nontraditionally geared constant variable trannies are better for fuel efficiency but worse for about everything else.
get a non cvt with a storied transmission or a manual and the mech issues will greatly reduce on many makes. subaru and mitsu make some afforadable manuals if thats your preference/ most other brands are getting rid of them.
That makes sense, I've definitely not heard anything good about CVT transmissions. I prefer manual too, and actually have an older WRX as a daily driver.
I tried looking up a few things regarding the emissions stuff I was referring to, and now am actually having trouble finding it. I'm like 99% sure of what I read, I'm honestly wondering if some of the references to it were wiped.
Basically, older trucks like a 2005 ram 2500 diesel were extremely reliable, with regular maintenance and a few minor fixes here and there I've heard people get like 500k miles to upwards of 1M miles. Newer trucks with all their emissions equipment are crap. People were having to replace their entire exhaust/DPF/DEF systems at like 20-30k miles at a cost of over $5k, not covered by warranty. Try and remove their crap and either the truck won't run due to the computer systems, or you'll get hit with major fines and shit if you live in an emissions tested area. All of that is on top of having to spend extra on DEF fluid, and also getting worse mpg due to the extra fuel burn to regen the filters. The entire system ends up polluting even more due to the additional fuel burn, more parts replacements, and additional processing/manufacturing requirements for all the extra shit. The only benefit (for them) is they get a lot more money out of us, and they get to say "we're being more environmentally friendly".
It honestly doesn't surprise me that some of those trucks are still going for like $25-35k nearly 20 years later.
THe first generations were abysmal, the bargain brands are still terrible (nissan cvts notoroious), and your average masses cant tell the difference. but a lot of problems come from the 'maintenance free' claims in these trannies, they need maint like any other transmission. I wish they gave us a choice, because most car guys, and even normies if they knew the difference, would prefer a more responsive transmission with shifts than a constantly changing sewing machine. wrxs are nice for affordable japanese sports cars. is sedan, or pre sedan only gen? if its the last 2 generations, your value just went way up because of subus shitty design fails in their new sport sedan. and manual is more practical, more fun, and you can oftentimes get better mpgs out of your car than a soccer mom driving the latest auto tech/ youre right about the trucks exhaust systems, they are overly expensive because of the mandated emissions controls, but thats just for diesel trucks afaik, and does not extend to cars besides the cat converters. I was talking mainly about the impact on passenger types of cars. i do agree on the rest of your opinion about the excessive costs for diesel trucks. I dont know the real world science effect, behind those choices, but as you touched on, i would not be surprised if it were the monetary costs to affiliates of the politicians passing these laws, who just so happen to own 'green' companies redesigning these components for new trucks. Why wont they order less air travel or mil spending to curb the pollution? A question that will eventually answer itself. Maybe we should have a day where kia'ans get together and talk about unnecessary limitations, on vehicles, power production, and society at large and maybe even figure out ways we can fix those for the future. I think that could be very interesting.
And hope ya enjoy that subu, great cars when taken good care of. They probably get better economy because of the less computer aspect, too. I bet theres a huge market for non-computerized, no nonsense trucks and vehicles that 'just work' without the damned $500 repair bills for a 6" tablet you can only buy from your dealer. Thats probably the same reason old Deeres are still in high demand. No nannies. No DrM (prob where biden is pushing cars, tbh)
this, they claim the starters are beefier, but I bet they just cost 2-3x what a regular one would, maybe weight more, and all to save <~1% miles per gallon. it would be interesting to see some real reliabliity numbers with all these new cars automatically shutting off.
How many regular cars need full engine rebuilds after 8 years?
Any Volkswagen AG car with a 1.8 or 2.0 TSi built before IIRC 2012, actually. VWs, Audis, Skodas, Seats. These engines had great performance characteristics for consumer, everyday cars, but they'd start chugging oil like an old Trabant - people reported up to 1l of oil per 1000 km (!!!) - after you ran them for about 100k km. It was a huge problem that needed a complete engine rebuild to fix, because it was caused by failing piston seals, which is why in my country there's a million used 2nd gen Skoda Octavias with these engines and about 100k on the odometer for sale for really cheap.
Yeah, sure, your post just reminded me of this story so I kinda blurted it out. Seriously, stay away from pre-2013 TSis. The 1.4 had its share of problems too when it was new - the timing chain would loosen over time. And then there are the 1.2 and 1.0 versions, which as far as I know are fine, but I'd never buy a car with one of those because I'm heterosexual.
Would you trust a questionably sourced battery from a random 3rd party?
How many regular cars need full engine rebuilds after 8 years?
It honestly wouldn't surprise me if a lot of the new cars selling now a days will need full rebuilds or major work done after 8 years. With all these new emissions requirements they're forcing people to follow, I've heard some diesel trucks require $Thousands in maintenance even after 3-4 years.
They took vehicles with engines that used to last 1M miles and fucked them up to the point where you're probably gonna spend like $10k in the first 100k miles on replacement parts/fixes.
i think its more often tranny problems. across multiple brands the nontraditionally geared constant variable trannies are better for fuel efficiency but worse for about everything else.
get a non cvt with a storied transmission or a manual and the mech issues will greatly reduce on many makes. subaru and mitsu make some afforadable manuals if thats your preference/ most other brands are getting rid of them.
They put CVTs in real cars now?
That makes sense, I've definitely not heard anything good about CVT transmissions. I prefer manual too, and actually have an older WRX as a daily driver.
I tried looking up a few things regarding the emissions stuff I was referring to, and now am actually having trouble finding it. I'm like 99% sure of what I read, I'm honestly wondering if some of the references to it were wiped.
Basically, older trucks like a 2005 ram 2500 diesel were extremely reliable, with regular maintenance and a few minor fixes here and there I've heard people get like 500k miles to upwards of 1M miles. Newer trucks with all their emissions equipment are crap. People were having to replace their entire exhaust/DPF/DEF systems at like 20-30k miles at a cost of over $5k, not covered by warranty. Try and remove their crap and either the truck won't run due to the computer systems, or you'll get hit with major fines and shit if you live in an emissions tested area. All of that is on top of having to spend extra on DEF fluid, and also getting worse mpg due to the extra fuel burn to regen the filters. The entire system ends up polluting even more due to the additional fuel burn, more parts replacements, and additional processing/manufacturing requirements for all the extra shit. The only benefit (for them) is they get a lot more money out of us, and they get to say "we're being more environmentally friendly".
It honestly doesn't surprise me that some of those trucks are still going for like $25-35k nearly 20 years later.
THe first generations were abysmal, the bargain brands are still terrible (nissan cvts notoroious), and your average masses cant tell the difference. but a lot of problems come from the 'maintenance free' claims in these trannies, they need maint like any other transmission. I wish they gave us a choice, because most car guys, and even normies if they knew the difference, would prefer a more responsive transmission with shifts than a constantly changing sewing machine. wrxs are nice for affordable japanese sports cars. is sedan, or pre sedan only gen? if its the last 2 generations, your value just went way up because of subus shitty design fails in their new sport sedan. and manual is more practical, more fun, and you can oftentimes get better mpgs out of your car than a soccer mom driving the latest auto tech/ youre right about the trucks exhaust systems, they are overly expensive because of the mandated emissions controls, but thats just for diesel trucks afaik, and does not extend to cars besides the cat converters. I was talking mainly about the impact on passenger types of cars. i do agree on the rest of your opinion about the excessive costs for diesel trucks. I dont know the real world science effect, behind those choices, but as you touched on, i would not be surprised if it were the monetary costs to affiliates of the politicians passing these laws, who just so happen to own 'green' companies redesigning these components for new trucks. Why wont they order less air travel or mil spending to curb the pollution? A question that will eventually answer itself. Maybe we should have a day where kia'ans get together and talk about unnecessary limitations, on vehicles, power production, and society at large and maybe even figure out ways we can fix those for the future. I think that could be very interesting.
And hope ya enjoy that subu, great cars when taken good care of. They probably get better economy because of the less computer aspect, too. I bet theres a huge market for non-computerized, no nonsense trucks and vehicles that 'just work' without the damned $500 repair bills for a 6" tablet you can only buy from your dealer. Thats probably the same reason old Deeres are still in high demand. No nannies. No DrM (prob where biden is pushing cars, tbh)
If you get 3-5 with an engine that shuts off when you reach a red light, count yourself lucky.
this, they claim the starters are beefier, but I bet they just cost 2-3x what a regular one would, maybe weight more, and all to save <~1% miles per gallon. it would be interesting to see some real reliabliity numbers with all these new cars automatically shutting off.
I would not buy such a car unless that feature can be easily turned off. So far, I have been able to do that.
Besides rotaries?
you kinda gotta admit that those engines are a freakin genius design.
They're nice but the best part is they're a pleb filter
That's a good one, it's the reason nobody builds those anymore as well.
Any Volkswagen AG car with a 1.8 or 2.0 TSi built before IIRC 2012, actually. VWs, Audis, Skodas, Seats. These engines had great performance characteristics for consumer, everyday cars, but they'd start chugging oil like an old Trabant - people reported up to 1l of oil per 1000 km (!!!) - after you ran them for about 100k km. It was a huge problem that needed a complete engine rebuild to fix, because it was caused by failing piston seals, which is why in my country there's a million used 2nd gen Skoda Octavias with these engines and about 100k on the odometer for sale for really cheap.
I'm not surprised it's VW.
That's a defect though, not something that is part of the existence of engines.
Yeah, sure, your post just reminded me of this story so I kinda blurted it out. Seriously, stay away from pre-2013 TSis. The 1.4 had its share of problems too when it was new - the timing chain would loosen over time. And then there are the 1.2 and 1.0 versions, which as far as I know are fine, but I'd never buy a car with one of those because I'm heterosexual.