I like not having to watch out for used needles left by the homeless who shoot heroin in the street. And for the police to have some way to punish people who shoot heroin and/or leave used needles in the street. If that makes me Tipper Gore (or Hitler like the last guy called me) then so be it.
The same reasoning that you would use against drugs, or that Hoppe would use against homosexuality, is the same reasoning that was used against me and mine in the Satanic Panic.
I don't hate moralizing prigs.
But I fucking despise moralizing prigs who claim to be libertarians.
Because they're hypocrites.
Libertarianism fully realized produces an ugly world. But that's a foundational problem with the ideology, it's not something you can fix by being selective about the definition of liberty.
YOU need to discard the idea that you are a libertarian. You're not. And that's okay.
You're a Heinleinist, you believe that liberty comes with responsibility. The libertarian does not; libertarianism is detached from ANY civic responsibility or obligation to the community beyond tolerance.
Firstly, I am not a Hoppean. Nor am I a libertarian by your definition. So this isn't me trying to justify my position to you. There are elements of Hoppeanism I think are useful like the idea of an explicit social contract.
Nor am I a Heinleinist as it was shown in Starship Troopers: I do not want a one world government (in fact I want quite the opposite), nor do I want a state to govern a multi-cultural nation. Heinleinism in a culturally (and mostly ethnically) homogenous micro-state form probably would be OK. "Service guarantees citizenship" as a general principle is OK.
That out of the way, Hoppeans would not agree with your definition of "libertarian", nor would they apply that definition to themselves. Thus they cannot be "hypocrites" for failing to live up to an ideal they don't claim to live up to. And to the extent that they do agree with you that individuals have certain obligations to the community (defined through an explicit binding contract), I think you do yourself a disservice by treating them as an enemy.
I like not having to watch out for used needles left by the homeless who shoot heroin in the street. And for the police to have some way to punish people who shoot heroin and/or leave used needles in the street. If that makes me Tipper Gore (or Hitler like the last guy called me) then so be it.
The same reasoning that you would use against drugs, or that Hoppe would use against homosexuality, is the same reasoning that was used against me and mine in the Satanic Panic.
I don't hate moralizing prigs.
But I fucking despise moralizing prigs who claim to be libertarians.
Because they're hypocrites.
Libertarianism fully realized produces an ugly world. But that's a foundational problem with the ideology, it's not something you can fix by being selective about the definition of liberty.
YOU need to discard the idea that you are a libertarian. You're not. And that's okay.
You're a Heinleinist, you believe that liberty comes with responsibility. The libertarian does not; libertarianism is detached from ANY civic responsibility or obligation to the community beyond tolerance.
Firstly, I am not a Hoppean. Nor am I a libertarian by your definition. So this isn't me trying to justify my position to you. There are elements of Hoppeanism I think are useful like the idea of an explicit social contract.
Nor am I a Heinleinist as it was shown in Starship Troopers: I do not want a one world government (in fact I want quite the opposite), nor do I want a state to govern a multi-cultural nation. Heinleinism in a culturally (and mostly ethnically) homogenous micro-state form probably would be OK. "Service guarantees citizenship" as a general principle is OK.
That out of the way, Hoppeans would not agree with your definition of "libertarian", nor would they apply that definition to themselves. Thus they cannot be "hypocrites" for failing to live up to an ideal they don't claim to live up to. And to the extent that they do agree with you that individuals have certain obligations to the community (defined through an explicit binding contract), I think you do yourself a disservice by treating them as an enemy.
The last two centuries have taught us two things:
That the Germans need to shut up about philosophy, and learn to chill the fuck out.
I'm blocking you now for a week because I'm done reading your self absorbed bullshit.