I gave up on Dr Who. I stopped on Capaldi’s second season because of the annoying companion and I gave the female doctor a chance but the “galactic white supremacist” Rosa Parks episode was pointless. After that I hear that each episode was some lecture. I also heard how the butchered it in the end.
Indeed. Thing is, you can tell the BBC have given up too, since they leave promoting the actual ongoing series as an afterthought and instead promote the 2023 60th anniversary special and Russell T Davies' return (and other niche things like audio releases).
On that note actually, the Big Finish audio releases can be absolutely top-quality, and for the most part are completely free of political drum banging of any kind. If you like Doctor Who and need a new fix, then there are some really excellent things in there to try.
I love classic who and the new stuff up to second capaldi season. I’ll check it out. Will Davies be able to rescue the show? I remember he said once that Dr Who is for everyone, whether you voted for Brexit or not.
If you love classic Who you're very much in luck. The audio stuff started in 1999 to keep Who going so they've been putting out stuff with classic Doctors every month since then. Doctors 5-8 get the most releases but they do bring back some of the new ones, as well as some of the older ones (where possible due to the actors being alive, anyway). They're far enough divorced from the BBC that they even managed to persuade Tom Baker and Christopher Eccleston to come back and since it's an audio-only drama without infinite BBC backing, they live and die on the quality of the writing.
Like classic Who, you could just start at the beginning and work your way through if you really wanted to, but (at least to start) you may be better off switching between releases you like the look of and go from there. I can provide recommendations if you like. There are still a few arcs and ongoing stories (even among the releases linked below) but for the most part the stories are standalone.
There's also a couple hundred hours of stuff uploaded for free on Spotify. If you're so inclined, here's a list with links
No worries. In the spirit of the OP, I'll recommend Spare Parts - an excellent fifth Doctor story about the genesis of the cybermen, and is able to be darker and more grisly than the BBC's kid-friendly rating would allow.
The one that did it for me was when they showed a Weeping Angel move. Forget which season it was. Totally broke continuity with the other episodes which treated the camera/viewer as an "observer" for purposes of their rules. And in a totally throw-away scene too; like they just wanted to show off some 3D animation someone did.
May have watched a few other episodes after, but that was the one that made me start wondering if the show was still worth watching.
For some reason they completely get rid of the main thing they establish about the angels sending people back in time to live out their lives displaced to the past and had them breaking necks. Plus all the stupid 'angel image' stuck in the eye, I don't remember lasting to much longer but I don't blame you for seeing the writing on the wall after that.
OK, to be fair, that's a dual picture of their first appearance in the First Doctor story "The Tenth Planet" (when Cybermen were from Mondas, the "tenth" planet that's been speculated to be around for ages now. ALF fans know it as "Dave". Whackjobs call it "Niburu" or "Nemesis".) And the other is the most recent - for better or for worse - iteration of them. They've changed many times over the course of the years, but they just didn't include all the in-betweens.
What really changed was their voices. The og CM seen in the top pic had weirdly modulated sing-songy voices, while the Third (Fourth?) Doctor version had them sounding like a VIC-20 (hard to understand and horrible to hear.)
OK, to be fair, that's a dual picture of their first appearance in the First Doctor story "The Tenth Planet"
No it isn't. It's a still from the 2017 story The Doctor Falls. Other than recognising the shot and the slight differences in the cyberman designs, you can tell because The Tenth Planet wasn't recorded in colour.
I lived through the debacle of Turner Colourization, and have no idea what's in colour and what's not any more, no matter how I remember them or what the original supposedly was. I still swear that the original Blob was b&w, but Turner colourized it and destroyed the original original (in the same way the ORIGINAL Star Wars is probably next to impossible to get outside of piracy or used VHS bins.
OK, been a long time since I saw any of it, and the last time I saw the original run was in a huge download that included the missing episodes as stills and sometimes cartoons. I just saw those shitty face masks, when I was expecting JUST ONE IMAGE of modern nuWho cybercommies.
My grandparents videotaped hundreds of episodes of the old Doctor Who shows. My parents watched both old and new Doctor Who. I even got into it for a few years.
Well the odds are astronomically small, but if by any chance they happened to have a tape of one of the many missing episodes then you could probably make a quick buck (and a spot of eternal gratitute) by returning them to the BBC.
In any case, I'll make the same recommendation I made elsewhere in this thread - the Big Finish audio dramas are quite exceptional in that they have much more frequent hits than misses, and are (almost) completely free from any kind of political drum-banging. Plus they are outside of the kid-friendly rating of the BBC (and overseas censors) so they can be darker and heavier in subject matter.
I gave up on Dr Who. I stopped on Capaldi’s second season because of the annoying companion and I gave the female doctor a chance but the “galactic white supremacist” Rosa Parks episode was pointless. After that I hear that each episode was some lecture. I also heard how the butchered it in the end.
Indeed. Thing is, you can tell the BBC have given up too, since they leave promoting the actual ongoing series as an afterthought and instead promote the 2023 60th anniversary special and Russell T Davies' return (and other niche things like audio releases).
On that note actually, the Big Finish audio releases can be absolutely top-quality, and for the most part are completely free of political drum banging of any kind. If you like Doctor Who and need a new fix, then there are some really excellent things in there to try.
I love classic who and the new stuff up to second capaldi season. I’ll check it out. Will Davies be able to rescue the show? I remember he said once that Dr Who is for everyone, whether you voted for Brexit or not.
If you love classic Who you're very much in luck. The audio stuff started in 1999 to keep Who going so they've been putting out stuff with classic Doctors every month since then. Doctors 5-8 get the most releases but they do bring back some of the new ones, as well as some of the older ones (where possible due to the actors being alive, anyway). They're far enough divorced from the BBC that they even managed to persuade Tom Baker and Christopher Eccleston to come back and since it's an audio-only drama without infinite BBC backing, they live and die on the quality of the writing.
Like classic Who, you could just start at the beginning and work your way through if you really wanted to, but (at least to start) you may be better off switching between releases you like the look of and go from there. I can provide recommendations if you like. There are still a few arcs and ongoing stories (even among the releases linked below) but for the most part the stories are standalone.
There's also a couple hundred hours of stuff uploaded for free on Spotify. If you're so inclined, here's a list with links
Cool! Thanks!
No worries. In the spirit of the OP, I'll recommend Spare Parts - an excellent fifth Doctor story about the genesis of the cybermen, and is able to be darker and more grisly than the BBC's kid-friendly rating would allow.
its gay shit how they ruined it. #Woke ruins everything
the doctor was a little girl that a mad scientist tortured hundreds of times.
#just BBC things
The one that did it for me was when they showed a Weeping Angel move. Forget which season it was. Totally broke continuity with the other episodes which treated the camera/viewer as an "observer" for purposes of their rules. And in a totally throw-away scene too; like they just wanted to show off some 3D animation someone did.
May have watched a few other episodes after, but that was the one that made me start wondering if the show was still worth watching.
For some reason they completely get rid of the main thing they establish about the angels sending people back in time to live out their lives displaced to the past and had them breaking necks. Plus all the stupid 'angel image' stuck in the eye, I don't remember lasting to much longer but I don't blame you for seeing the writing on the wall after that.
Hey me too- same time same reason. I got so fucking sick of Clara
Also of note, this garbage editing job for a promo still of an upcoming series.
OK, to be fair, that's a dual picture of their first appearance in the First Doctor story "The Tenth Planet" (when Cybermen were from Mondas, the "tenth" planet that's been speculated to be around for ages now. ALF fans know it as "Dave". Whackjobs call it "Niburu" or "Nemesis".) And the other is the most recent - for better or for worse - iteration of them. They've changed many times over the course of the years, but they just didn't include all the in-betweens.
What really changed was their voices. The og CM seen in the top pic had weirdly modulated sing-songy voices, while the Third (Fourth?) Doctor version had them sounding like a VIC-20 (hard to understand and horrible to hear.)
No it isn't. It's a still from the 2017 story The Doctor Falls. Other than recognising the shot and the slight differences in the cyberman designs, you can tell because The Tenth Planet wasn't recorded in colour.
Oh, that's what you're getting at.
I lived through the debacle of Turner Colourization, and have no idea what's in colour and what's not any more, no matter how I remember them or what the original supposedly was. I still swear that the original Blob was b&w, but Turner colourized it and destroyed the original original (in the same way the ORIGINAL Star Wars is probably next to impossible to get outside of piracy or used VHS bins.
Except it's not just a monochrome/color debate. The image is very obviously from The Doctor Falls.
OK, been a long time since I saw any of it, and the last time I saw the original run was in a huge download that included the missing episodes as stills and sometimes cartoons. I just saw those shitty face masks, when I was expecting JUST ONE IMAGE of modern nuWho cybercommies.
Well the odds are astronomically small, but if by any chance they happened to have a tape of one of the many missing episodes then you could probably make a quick buck (and a spot of eternal gratitute) by returning them to the BBC.
In any case, I'll make the same recommendation I made elsewhere in this thread - the Big Finish audio dramas are quite exceptional in that they have much more frequent hits than misses, and are (almost) completely free from any kind of political drum-banging. Plus they are outside of the kid-friendly rating of the BBC (and overseas censors) so they can be darker and heavier in subject matter.
the old ones look scarier than the ones from dr karen's season 12.