In response, the Amish tried to work with the system and offered alternatives to comply with the state water controls. The bureaucrats responded by seeking a court order “authorizing its agents to inspect the inside of Amish homes as part of an ‘investigation’ into what ‘types of modern technologies and materials’ they might be using” to collect evidence that the Amish’s religious beliefs might be insincerely held.
The county bureaucrats did not stop there. They tried to argue that the “Bible commands the Amish to submit to secular authority,” so of course the Amish don’t understand their own religion and should give in to the county’s interpretation of the Amish faith.
They tried to argue that the “Bible commands the Amish to submit to secular authority,” so of course the Amish don’t understand their own religion and should give in to the county’s interpretation of the Amish faith.
Even this is incorrect.
Caesar is not the head of the church. God is.
These bureaucrat thug Nazis can go fuck themselves.
The render unto Caesar thing is about if it's ok to pay taxes, and it essentially means that it's not worth getting into a shootout over taxes alone while still leaving room to dodge taxes if you're up for it.
It's about the kingdoms of this world are irrelevant, while God's Kingdom is primary.
This would indicate the Amish sincerely hold their beliefs. While people are in their homes trying to prove otherwise, they should sincerely use their guns against the inspectors.
I believe this is what they're referring to: Romans 13:1-10.
Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.
This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.
Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
This is kind of a big "gotcha" in some circles related to adherence to secular law.
It's so crazy when they act like violating your rights is OK as long as you get the choice of which of two rights is violated:
You can either have you freedom of religion violated, or your right against unwarranted searches violated (this case).
You can either have your right against unwarranted searches violated, or you can have your right of free travel violated (TSA).
You can either have your right to free speech, or you can have your right to preserve your life through self defense ("instigating" violence from someone else by saying something mean, then defending yourself from their violence with appropriate force").
They forget that this country was founded on a Lockean "appeal to heaven" (ie. a deliberate revolt against the lawful government to see who God favors by granting them victory).
I'm not sure I'd want to be facing the Amish in such an appeal with such a judge.
Even this is incorrect.
Caesar is not the head of the church. God is.
These bureaucrat thug Nazis can go fuck themselves.
The render unto Caesar thing is about if it's ok to pay taxes, and it essentially means that it's not worth getting into a shootout over taxes alone while still leaving room to dodge taxes if you're up for it.
Incorrect.
It's about the kingdoms of this world are irrelevant, while God's Kingdom is primary.
This would indicate the Amish sincerely hold their beliefs. While people are in their homes trying to prove otherwise, they should sincerely use their guns against the inspectors.
I believe this is what they're referring to: Romans 13:1-10.
This is kind of a big "gotcha" in some circles related to adherence to secular law.
This is not the only statement on the subject. All need to be considered, and balanced.
Secularists have no business interfering with that.
Not every sect of Christianity has Paul's writings in their version of the Bible.
Those aren't Christians
It's so crazy when they act like violating your rights is OK as long as you get the choice of which of two rights is violated:
You can either have you freedom of religion violated, or your right against unwarranted searches violated (this case).
You can either have your right against unwarranted searches violated, or you can have your right of free travel violated (TSA).
You can either have your right to free speech, or you can have your right to preserve your life through self defense ("instigating" violence from someone else by saying something mean, then defending yourself from their violence with appropriate force").
God dammit I fucking hate the government lol
This is the correct response
They forget that this country was founded on a Lockean "appeal to heaven" (ie. a deliberate revolt against the lawful government to see who God favors by granting them victory).
I'm not sure I'd want to be facing the Amish in such an appeal with such a judge.