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– Piroko 56 points 4 years ago +56 / -0

Service Guarantees Citizenship

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– MargarineMongoose 23 points 4 years ago +23 / -0

Women losing the rights of citizenship...interesting.

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– Piroko 30 points 4 years ago +30 / -0

I've said it before.

At the time that Heinlein was writing, there was some plausibility to the idea that women might be slightly better pilots than men. You had people like Wally Funk and Hanna Reitsch. What we know now is that far from suggesting untapped potential, what they really were was two standard deviation exceptional examples, who had made it as far as they did because they were so much better than average that they rose to the top.

But they didn't know that at the time.

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– Piroko 14 points 4 years ago +14 / -0

There hadn't been much effort to bother investigating the outer limits of performance in piloting between sexes prior to the Mercury Thirteen.

Heinlein dealt in speculative fiction. in 1959, it was plausible.

It was false, but it was plausible.

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– TisDaRhythmOfDaNight 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

Thanks for pointing this out, I was unaware of this.

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– Piroko 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

Starship Troopers came out in December 1959.

In April 1959, some of the doctors who had worked with NASA to select the Mercury Seven ran an experiment. They selected a group of 25 women with over a thousand hours of flying experience, and put them through the same tests. Thirteen passed. This was done quietly (though it wasn't a secret project) but given Heinlein's background and connections it's very likely he'd heard of it and knew the results.

What we know now is that the pool of women who had a thousand hours of flying in 1959 was already going to be the best of the best, peak health and ability. Whereas the male candidates for Mercury were, as the movie said, "The best... that we can get."

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– TentElephant 4 points 4 years ago +4 / -0

Morgoth recently put out a review of the movie, which is obviously not the book, and he pointed out that it is the neocon vision of liberal utopia. It's as if the globalists homogenized the world into 90s American culture.

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– lapalapa 20 points 4 years ago +20 / -0

The movie is a satire of the book. The book is trying to present some interesting ideas on how citizenship should be tied to responsibility.

Sometimes I wonder if things would be better if voting was restricted to people who pay income tax.

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– Adamrises 23 points 4 years ago +23 / -0

The movie is an attempt of satire of the book.

There has to be actual ridicule of the ideas to be satire. Instead it shows a mostly working system where a couple of retarded moves are made (which exists in any system) but they still completely succeed in the end.

The movie gives no evidence of the "asteroid was a false flag, we are the invaders!" plot people love to claim. So it shows a couple of jingoistic cut ins and then just expects you to fill in the blanks with "THIS IS AMERICA/NAZIS ITS THE MOST TERRIFYING THING."

And on the flip side, its filled with dozens of heroic moments that every man craves to live up to and even while cutting the most badass parts of the book (like the power armor that has influenced nearly every sci-fi military since) still fails to make them look any worse than a generic military movie.

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