First, let me describe the problem: The problem is that some people have a preference for how women should look and act. This is defined as "attraction". Certain looks and behaviors are found to be attractive to others. In particular, women have undergone dramatic change in the last 100 years regarding their look and behavior. These changes are being caused by pressures in society. You have both the nature of the structure of society putting pressure on women and you have specific interest groups also putting pressure on women to shape their look and behavior.
What are the major specific interest groups? Ultimately, you have 3 major interest groups at work. You have men, women and the government. I define government here as not just the elected officials but also the men and women in positions of power to exert some type of governance on the society at large. A CEO of a major bank could be a part of this "government" if he is using his influence to affect changes which most major corporations do. One may refer instead to it as the systems of power and control over society. While some people might argue there are other groups based on ideology such as religion, these ideologies ultimately are a product of the self-interest of these 3 main groups.
What is the nature of society that is putting pressure on shaping women? We have seen some major changes in the structure of society over the last few centuries.. The three major shifts which has cause new pressures on shaping women are the following: 1. The shift from agriculture rural based society to industrial urban based society. 2. The shift from easy access to the most powerful weapons for enforcing obedience in societies to extremely complex weapons that are not easy to access. 3. The ability to disseminate information quickly compared to slowly.
Now let me keep it short in explaining the interaction between all of aforementioned pressures:
Government is now able to exert more authority on society to maintain control. This means in the scheme of things. Men and women actually have much less power to exert their interest in shaping women. Governments are now one of the biggest pressures on women.
Governments are now not constrained by distance to exert its authority. It used to be difficult for a government to maintain control on a society simply due to the time it would take to disseminate information. Governments needed to rely on a system that self-perpetuated itself. Hard set rules in stone that one can rely on to be taught to children and respected by the community at large. Governments couldn't just shift the nature of society's values on a whim simply because it was difficult to communicate and enforce these changes. Now government's can reach everyone in their societies and other societies immediately. This means cultural values, religion, morals taught by a chain of parents to child, etc... are no longer important.
What is in essence going on is the nature of the structure of our society now extremely favours authoritarian control by the government and those who have the power to influence society at large. That means what men and women want is mostly actually entirely irrelevant so I will avoid getting into the discussion on what naturally is more beneficial for men in how women look and act as well as what's naturally more beneficial for women in the way women look and act because both are mostly irrelevant.
What benefits the government in how women look and act? Well, what benefits the government is actually what you on this community oppose. The government wants women to be as productive as possible for the system because that benefits the government. The "Patriarchy" is an essence the values/beliefs of a time when the balance was different. Men and women had more control over their own lives and governments relied on culture/religion/morals to maintain control.
In short, a woman who doesn't get an education, who gets pregnant when she is a teenager, who has many kids, marries her husband, supports her husband, home-schools the children and is what one may call the epitome of a traditional woman is not nearly as beneficial to the government as a woman who gets an education, gets a job, works and doesn't have children.
What you now have is a government exuding its influence to pressure society in a manner which enhances its wealth and power. This influence and pressure isn't necessarily done as a giant conspiracy. There are simply many individual actors vying for very specific self-interests but the overall average of impact all these individuals will have when they work for their interests is the larger society moving in the same direction which as a whole enhances the wealth and power of the government.
These pressures from the governments are felt by the men and women in society. The pressures can be things such as taxing people more then paying for public education. Such a pressure reduces everyone's income while also reduces the value-add of home-schooling. Were there no public schools, you would be forced to pay for private school or home-school, thus home-schooling is a value-add equal to the cost of private school which would be a substantial cost. Thus it becomes harder for anyone to live on a single income while reducing the value of home-schooling children. The pressure becomes for both parents to work if they choose to have children. I won't go into detail regarding all the pressures but I wanted to give you one example so you understand what I mean by pressures. Things like the civil rights act are another pressure.
Now governments do not care at all about things like race, LGBTQ+, feminism, patriarchy, etc... at the ideological level. All of these issues are non-issues to the government. All the government cares about is maintaining and growing its wealth and power. The government simply exudes its power in a manner it believes will benefit itself and then reacts to men and women who seem to care about these issues in a manner which the government believes will benefit itself.
There are now essentially two groups of men and two groups of women within our society. There are the men and women who feel the pressures but resist them because the men and women want to instead push their own self-interest which does not align with the government. Then there are the men and women who feel the pressures and obey these pressures. Each individual has some level of obedience and resistance to these pressures which leads to a spectrum. Feminists and the people anti-Patriarchy that affect your video games are the people who obey the pressure from the government. The men and women leading the charge in this realm are doing it specifically because they're trying to "empower" women which is really just a way of saying making women productive to the government. This is why it seems like all major developers and programmers etc... all seem to be aligned in doing the same thing to affect your video games. It's because they're all facing the same government pressures and in the cases of these major video games developers, they are also a part of the government class as I described them earlier.
At the end of the day it isn't about Big Tits, it's about enhancing the wealth and power of the government. if feminists decided Big Tits in video games somehow "empowered" women such that it led to more productive women in society, then you'd have "Big Tits" in video games. Unfortunately, it just so happens that at this stage right now given the conflict of what men desire in women and what women naturally desire themselves in women vs. what the government desires in women, somehow masculinizing women (defeminizing them perhaps) seems to be the better outcome for the government and those who obey the pressures. This can change given the pressures at play and their interaction, which leads me to my next point on how does your community get what they want?
Well, unfortunately you only have a few solutions. Trying to convince people to be different through words will do nothing.
You need to improve weapons technology and availability such that you disrupt the balance of power between government and the average person. Notice how this board has a rule about disseminating weapons technology and even specifically mentions 3D printing? That's not for your safety and the betterment of society. These rules exist to help maintain the power and control government has over the people. There's a reason those rules are laws.
You need to disrupt the government's ability to communicate to people so effectively. This is why government and big tech companies are so tight, it is because the communication of ideologies is another means of control for the government. Disrupting this will disrupts the government's ability to control its people through instant ideologies and force a return to more cultural/moral/religious based means of control.
You need to develop some sort of major technological innovation that makes it in the governments interest to shape women in the manner you want women to be shaped.
You need to orchestrate some sort of major structural change such as a war for example which would shift the way in which the government enhances its wealth and power by shaping women in the manner you want women to be shaped.
Short of affecting change on the government through affecting change on the actual pressures that encourage governments to act a certain way, you will NEVER get the change you want. Even if you got an authoritarian dictator who did everything you wanted them to, the pressures exuded on society would still be the same and it would lead to the same eventual changes over time. When you look at middle-eastern cultures, southeast asian cultures or eastern european cultures, while yes, the culture may be different, currently in the world all these cultures are facing very similar pressures. It is only a matter of speed at which they change and that change due to the pressures is an inevitable one that can be foreseen due to these pressures. For example Afghanistan might be very patriarchal but that's because it's very agricultural based. If you modernize it as western societies are, you will see a rise in feminism there too and they will go through similar social changes as us though perhaps with a different flavour because how the pressures playout will differ given the culture etc... In the end though, you don't get what you want by going back in time because the changes that occurred happened for a reason. It's not a matter of simply a difference in belief that can be changed by different leaders. Beliefs are shaped by the pressures at play. Even if you get a leader in who decides to give more power to the people such that you get a better outcome, this is only a temporary resistance because the pressures at play will allow the government to enhance its power which it will again do over time. You must change the pressures if you want to get the outcome you want.
On another note, I do find one thing ironic. If you managed to change the pressures of the system, I believe it would actually lead to a situation where neither men or women wanted Big Tits in video games anyway. Most of you here actually wouldn't be here. You're here because you got caught up at a specific point in time during the struggle for the changes of the impacts of the pressures of government on traditional society. This shaped your values/beliefs and attraction to women in a certain manner and you've mostly just been left behind now by the continued changes due to the pressures. However, at the very least, if you changed the balance of power, you would at least be able to affect change in the manner in which you want you want without constantly feeling like you're resisting a losing battle. You wouldn't feel like the whole system is against you because it wouldn't be anymore.
So... what did you all have for lunch? Have you cooked anything interesting recently?
I made a bunch of pork gyoza, it's delicious. Takes a fuckton of time if you are a psycho like I am and make your own wrappers from scratch, but it's extremely cheap and you can show off if you have people over for dinner.
I had a New York strip. Cow is the tastiest animal.
I really, really like duck if we can go a bit out there.
Duck is good aristocrat food, unlike lobster which is a sea insect for plebs.
Slow cooked brisket is divine.
Everything I know about gyoza, I learnt from Dorohedoro.
Dinner was beef stew, tomorrow shall be porterhouse steak.
Niiiice. I would have that, though the heat is killing me and that makes food comas even more brutal.
It's super tasty stuff. Is Dorohedoro any good? I
I enjoyed it, and would recommend both the anime and the manga if that's what you're into.
Oh yeah, don't worry. Even if none of you read it, I wrote it out to help organize some of my own thoughts anyhow.
I don't cook. I bought a sub for lunch.
TL;DR?
The current structure of the military and economy of society leads to an outcome that is counter to your interest. Short of disrupting these, you'll never get what you want.
Did you just hear about us or something? The entire point of KIA vs KIA2 is that we recognize and put forth the claim that the problem isn't just with art/media, but with the entire society as a whole which in turn is ruining art/media. Video games are downstream from culture, essentially.
We also don't have much reservations about calling out a group if one of us thinks the group is responsible. The very idea that we need to avoid calling out the commies or the international banks I would disagree with completely. I would say using the word "Jew" is a cultural faux pas and will make people not listen to you. Instead, be specific. JP Morgan or the Rothschilds are much better terms that communicate exactly who one is talking about.
I mean, the nazis here will probably say "No, it's the jews!" and whatever they're allowed.
I love the state of Israel. Screaming about the Jews is adopting the framing your enemy made for you. Pragmatically, if the final boss is da joos, you certainly wouldn't want to openly declare war on them when in a position of weakness. The holocaust happened.
I've only posted here once or twice over the last year. Yeah, your community occasionally comes up on my feeds and gets mentioned in other communities. From what I gather this community seems to be gamers that got mad at gamergate and then realized there's a "culture war" going on so it became political.
The reason I mentioned Jew/Commie is because in other communities, most people always come back to blaming one or the other. I don't know what this community blames... Perhaps just the government? This community definitely seems more libertarian or traditional American values then ironically TDW even.
Also, as for defining politics as a downstream of culture, I would say thinking about it like Culture ---> Politics is too simplified. Politics and culture is highly overlapping and politicians can speed up or slow down certain cultural changes as well as even prevent others from seeping in. The government can use culture to its advantage and shape it thus but sometimes the culture to too strong in its force such that it ends up shaping the government.
You are correct that there are outside forces that do impact government. I have listed some of the major ones. Right now for example the government doesn't care about people having kids because they've chosen to bring in more immigrants. It's not that our culture changed to like immigrants, this was actually a calculated decision by the government due to changing demographics and reduced birth rates. In order to get people to accept immigrants though, the government needed to change the culture. The government set into motion structural changes to get the outcome it was looking for but now the culture has changed and this culture now impacts politics today because it will now be difficult to change the culture without massive structural changes which may be resisted by the current culture. Why would a government do this? There would need to be some sort of structural change for the government to bother doing something that would be met with such resistance.
China for example had a different demographics issue than the west so their government chose to implement a 1 child policy which has now had cultural impacts.
Other societies chose different paths like Hungary trying to use money to encourage domestic births instead of immigrants. The path the government chooses tends to be dictated by culture because the government will choose the path it believes is best for its interests. Many western countries due to their Christian and colonization/settler roots were much more tolerant of immigrants then perhaps some other countries would be. At the end of the day, the path the government chose was the path to benefit itself not the path to benefit the people. This path chosen by the government impacts culture but the path chosen itself was impacted by culture.
The culture changes you're seeing now are mostly due to the government but they are still based on what the current and previous cultures were because that will determine how feasible the changes to society the government is making actual are.
Saying politics is a downstream of culture is right and wrong but overall, it's too simplistic.
I would say let's blame exactly who deserves the blame. Which is to say many people over hundreds of years in various fields from all countries. If you wrote out such a list, Jews and Communists are certainly represented, but so are Capitalists, Republicans, Catholics, etc. Other folks here would probably give a different answer though, we are far from a monolith. Regardless, as Trump would say, anyone can march to the false song of globalism and when you are looking over our entire history for "Who and what went wrong", the list is long. Anyone hyper-focusing on one piece of the puzzle is not wrong, but I think not seeing the entire picture of historical international corruption that some of us call the Cathedral.
While you say I am being too simplistic, I cannot find any solutions or prescriptions in your writing. All you've seemingly have said is "I know where the problem is, and I want to tone-police you about the jews". Which, you are correct about the problem, and your tone-policing message is rather irrelevant. But that is not a very interesting point to discuss when that is the foundational reason for KIA2 to exist which we all already agree on. We've somewhat moved on from the discussion of "Is this happening" to "What should we do about it?".
Didn't realize adding in that last part was going to be so upsetting. I didn't mean it to come off as if this community does blame only Jews or Communists but I meant it more in a refreshing manner like "okay this guy is going to tell us what the problem is... okay at least he's not going to blame Jews or Commies because I've heard that theory 1000x before so maybe this is a new perspective".
I could careless if you blame the Jews. I post on ConsumeProduct all the time and have friends irl who're self described Nazis that blame Jews for everything. I see the truth in it. I also post on TDW when I'm not banned all the time where everything is the fault of Communists and again, I see the truth in it. I'm not judging that but I meant what I said as here's a new idea that doesn't reduce the problem to something as simple as commies or Jews. Personally, I don't believe killing all Jews or killing all Commies would solve the conundrum we're in.
I did mention solutions at the end but they are hardly tangible for the most part. Come up with new innovations or environmental pressures that will massively shift the existing pressures in society basically. Easier said than done. For the most part there is no solution. I'm not dooming, I am being realistic. There are solutions but they are very difficult solutions to accomplish and as they should be. You essentially need to change the behavior of hundreds of millions of people. If an individual could actually impact such change easily then we'd be living in a much different reality than this one.
To understand what to do about it, you do need to understand what is going on. If your understanding of what is going on is wrong then your solution with how to change things will be wrong.
Edit - Also, the cathedral sounds similar to how I've defined government if I understand it correctly. Essentially, it's the people with enough power in society to shape society in a manner which benefits them. The form of this "cathedral" changes shape over time and its power and influence changes with time to. Today, this cathedral has immense power which was not always the case. Given its power, it influences society immensely in a manner that furthers the Cathedrals wealth and power.
In short, if you want to change things you need to either remove the power of the Cathedral OR change the nature of how the Cathedral enhances its wealth and power such that enhancing the wealth and power of the Cathedral aligns with your interests.
That's a bloviated way of saying we need power to do things that require power and we are currently the explicit enemies of power. No shit. You need to catch up.
The Cathedral is a key element of neoreactionary power analysis. It is simply the decentralized collusion of academia and media/tech to dictate and enforce policy respectively.
If you want a marxist accelerationist take, check out Nick Land and his Dark Enlightenment. He is literally Deleuze on heroin and has a lot of useful concepts such as IQ Shredder.
Hoppe is how libertarian anarchists become monarchists.
Here's a great taste of Hoppe:
Yes but there was also one other key insight. We don't need power if we happen to be on the same side as power. Too many people are focused on trying to win through a power struggle but the other way to win isn't about a change of power at all, it's about making it so existing power is aligned with your benefit.
Great share from you, thanks. I've heard of all of these names before but never read too much into them besides some summaries. I'll have to check some of the more in-depth stuff you linked when I get the time.
What do you mean exactly by Hoppe is how Libertarian Anarchists into Monarchists? What you shared doesn't necessarily align with what you said.
These days I actually think government structure such as monarchy vs. democracy is almost entirely worthless in the end. I lean monarchy myself or limited voting republic (not universal suffrage) but I actually think both are minor in the grand scheme of things and society's outcome is determined by other forces at play. Corruption seeps into any government system and the forces which cause those with power to act in certain ways play out in similar outcomes regardless of how the government is structured.
I'm just not sure what you're really doing then, as you're claiming that we need to understand what is going on, and presumably you're here to educate us on just that, yet we already basically agree.
So, welcome, I guess.
nice lefty meme
So big government / authoritarian.
Again, big government / authoritarian.
So make the gov. smaller, by taking away its power, and its full control of public education (which is now almost literally brainwashing).
You're just outlining a case for being against "big gov.", and that all of this happened because gov. wants something that just happens to align with all these groups mentioned, like feminist. Regardless of how connected these are, they both agree so it becomes a moot point. The main problem is big gov. as you point out, and the people who want and enable this are a problem, because they just want the power as well.
In other words, maybe people should be free to do whatever they want to a great extent (or you know to the extent it was possible before cancel culture).
and for america; to get small gov, get Trump-rebs to office, democrats are all for authoritarian gov
Technically, you can also be for big government IF the situation is one in which big government benefits from giving you want you want. Currently the structure is society is one in which strong government authorities won't align with what you desire.
It is difficult to come up with an example because if one were reasonable and feasible, it'd likely have been created already but on the abstract say there was an economic invention that dramatically enhanced the overall wealth of society like some sort of machine that only men could use effectively because it required physical strength that women lacked and where lots of children BUT NOT monogamous nuclear families led to a better outcome with said invention. The government would enhance its wealth and power if it was able to encourage more men to work this new invention while also encouraging more children in society but not necessarily care about monogamous nuclear families. In such a scenario you could have extreme government authority but such authority would lead to pressures that would likely encourage big tits in video games.
I would say it's less about people wanting to exert their own power and more about submission and obedience to the powers at play. The idea that leftists want to control liberty focused people to feel good about their own lack of power isn't accurate. Maybe for some outlier psychopathic leftists sure, that might be their motivation. The whole though, it's people being pressured by the system and submitting to their system. They want to encourage others to submit and obey to the system because that helps the system and given that they've submitted to the system they themselves want to enhance the system.
They don't want control (a.k.a. power) because of lack of people... they want it because they think they have the moral authority. They know better... so as you outlined government has increasingly favored whoever wants more authority.
Yes, sheep, who overwhelmingly want socialism, ergo communism, which favors centralized authority because it needs some way to keep track of resources and people's behavior. Then this centralization gets corrupt quickly and you end up in a nightmare scenario. Compare this to a conservative that wants less government, and more individual level accountability, to decentralize authority, and prevent all of this in the first place.
The ideologies that the sheep want can be broken up into two categories. Ideologies that benefit the government and ideologies that don't benefit the government. An ideology like Communism can have many different forms and generally speaking, it comes down to a manner of how much the form benefits the government vs. how much the form doesn't benefit the government.
The communists who discuss the ideal communist structure as one in which all people are equal and there is no government will never have their ideology come to fruition. The government doesn't care for this ideology. The government does care for people who want to increase taxes and redistribute the wealth to achieve equality. This is because in doing this, the government can use the addition tax money to enhance its wealth and power. From the government's perspective, it's a huge benefit but it has to balance the negative aspect. Potentially if too many people in society don't like the higher taxes and therefore don't do business because of the higher taxes, this could reduce productivity. It is therefore in the government's interests to encourage the ideologies of communism such that people are perfectly fine with being taxed more because they truly believe this money is going to help the community. If everyone believes this then the government can raise taxes without negative consequences and therefore enhance the government's wealth and power.
When it comes to the sheep pushing their beliefs on others, they are are merely acting as a form of "force" and control for the government. The government encourages leftists in trying to force control on people who don't obey the government's authority because the more people who obey the government's authority, the better it is for the government. This is also why leftists who use their authority to force submission to the government rarely get punished and the government turns a blind eye to what the left is doing because the left is acting in the government's interests.
unable to make a point without a massive rambling wall of text that is mostly about how the writer loves the smell of his own farts
yup definitely a commie
I heard this is how atheists defeated Christianity. Clearly God isn't real if he can't communicate written ideas to humans in an amount of words small enough for me to tweet.
Attributing those ideas to Marx gives Marx WAY too much credit. Men have been making these attributions since forever.
Marx's predictions and therefore his ideology was all mostly useless. He failed to foresee all the technological and social changes that ended up occurring. In the most ironic fashion, the more his ideals are now reached, the more the outcome actually aligns with the negative social outcome he attributed to "capitalism". Capitalism itself ended up being a bigger driver for his ideals. Basically Marx got it all wrong and that's why when you discuss anything around ideas like Marxism and Capitalism you wind up in that weird paradox where our society is capitalist yet also marxist... huh? It's because he got everything so very wrong.
Imagine believing the government has any control over that hellspawned death cult.
"The Patriarchy" does not exist though. I wish America and the West in general was a Patriarchy.
Well usually we blame Cultural Communists aka Social Justice Warriors aka Politically Correct Warriors aka Wokescolds aka Social Marxists. And Social Marxism is far more blamed for our cultural problems than mere Communism.
Though a person could rightly blame Communism in the sense that the Soviet Union subverted Academia & the Media in America & the West with Communist infiltrators during the early days of the Cold War. The seeds of that Communist infiltration have grown into a big Social Marxist tree in the early 2010s.
Well THEY were highly involved creating Social Marxism at the Frankfurt School. THEY were highly involved creating Marxism & Communism.
Naming THEM as a cause of Anti-Male & Anti-White attitudes & policies tends to get you banned around here. Even if you make it clear you're not even talking about all or most of THEM. It is certainly clear there is alot of THEM in the elite class and it is elite THEM that are causing the Anti-Male & Anti-White attitudes & policies in our culture.