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posted 5 years ago by AzureAceStarburst69 5 years ago by AzureAceStarburst69 +21 / -0
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– Piroko 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

died out

Stagnated.

you must have dozens of examples

Well, the most perfect example is Kansas City. But basically all the cities from Minnesota to Texas show degrees of it.

Here's the deal:

Immediately post war, there were only a handful of metropoli in the US. San Francisco, Chicago, Boston, New York, Philadelphia, and Boston. That was it, all the rest of the metros started about on an even footing of less than 100k people.

Why did Denver and Atlanta become top 20's? There's no particularly obvious geographic reason why those two cities would experience the explosive post war growth they did.

The reason is simple: for their own reasons, they resisted the attempts to kill their mass transit systems In Denver, the Denver Tramway Company didn't die. In Atlanta, the tramways WERE killed but the city realized how badly it fucked up and restored commuter rail in 1975, early enough to avoid entrenching the damage in the 80's suburb wave (the 70's were generally a low point in housing building across the country for obvious economic reasons).

Cities that went into the 80's wave of suburbs without commuter rail were committed to the path of roads and highways only. When you get into the 80's the damage started to manifest. The Quad Cities, St Louis, Dallas, Kansas City, Oklahoma City, all ran into problems with their "big highway" strategies. They couldn't grow upwards so they grew outwards, and stagnated as they had to sink more and more money into widening existing roads.

America became a tale of two city archetypes. The big cities that suffered in the 80's because they had bad crime, and the rest of the cities that suffered because their CBDs died as the greatest generation retired, industries offshored, and interstate widening projects drained money that otherwise might have been spent to make those cities more appealing to the boomer generation that congregated in the top 20's.

Now... I'll give you a prediction:

I believe, with 100% conviction, that not a single new subway will be built in America for a century. Existing systems will expand, but no city that doesn't have one today will succeed in building one in the 21st century. The population density simply isn't there and the costs are too great.

We will have metros of five million plus people, with no subways. Because they're too damn spread out.

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– deleted 6 points 5 years ago +6 / -0
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– Piroko 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

You still have not given an example

EVERY FUCKING CITY FROM MINNESOTA TO TEXAS AND UP THE OHIO RIVER VALLEY EXHIBITS THIS PHENEMONENA IN MULTIPLE SUBURBS DURING THE 80's and 90's.

Fuck it, I'm done.

Read this.

FYI: I'm way less optimistic than they are.

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– deleted 5 points 5 years ago +5 / -0

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