I'm torn when it comes to women in combat. There's the obvious point that it lowers survivability of troops in general when women are present on the battlefield, but combat training is excellent at promotion of discipline and physical health, something we could all use a bit more of in this day and age. Maybe reserves only?
The armed forces don't exist to promote discipline and physical health. They exist to win wars.
Combat units with women perform worse than units without women, therefore they should not be in combat roles. Let them sign up for a private boot camp if they're seeking discipline and improved physical health.
You're right, of course, but I still feel like the world would be a better place if everyone learned how to fight and got their ass kicked a couple times.
I agree, but it shouldn't be at the expense of tax payers. And let's face it, most women would quit as soon as they get punched once so it would be a huge waste of money.
Doesn't Isreal practice universal conscription (men and women)? Not signing up for a draft, but actually making them serve? There's precedent. And the haters on the Left AND the Right both say Isreal secretly controls everything, so they must have something going on properly to be that successful.
Better for men yes, more important is teaching the values of stoicism, dedication and self restraint with understanding violence. Plenty of men fight and learn nothing from it, there’s a reason every single great warrior society valued stoicism or the equivalent of it (hagakure). Could some women gain from this? Not really, concepts of self sacrifice are completely lost on a sex that’s only value historically has been surviving to breed.
I disagree. On the contrary I think it is more important for women to develop discipline in a focused manner as they seem far less inclined to do so by natural inclination, especially in times of peace. When times are hard women's behavior changes significantly.
The problem is that society stops treating them like adults when times are not hard.
No, even when times are hard the role difference has always been extremely present. Women aren’t the same as men, and by that difference what they are able to excel at has and always will be different then men. This idea that women receiving teaching in men’s diligence is the same stupidity that believes that men ditching stoicism will lead to a kinder society.
I don't think women learning how to fight would be a good idea at all. They already talk constantly about harming people for existing, don't give them the tools to back up their words.
Not only that, but the idea of women being worth just as much (read: the same) as men goes out the window the second they start dying in the field, or get captured. Sending women into wars when you have an alternative is like going neck first.
The armed forces don't exist to promote discipline and physical health. They exist to win wars.
Combat units with women perform worse than units without women, therefore they should not be in combat roles. Let them sign up for a private boot camp if they're seeking discipline and improved physical health.
You're right, of course, but I still feel like the world would be a better place if everyone learned how to fight and got their ass kicked a couple times.
I agree, but it shouldn't be at the expense of tax payers. And let's face it, most women would quit as soon as they get punched once so it would be a huge waste of money.
Doesn't Isreal practice universal conscription (men and women)? Not signing up for a draft, but actually making them serve? There's precedent. And the haters on the Left AND the Right both say Isreal secretly controls everything, so they must have something going on properly to be that successful.
Women are not allowed to serve in certain roles in the Israeli army though.
And it's not like they've taken part in a full out war that women played a big part in.
We have ample evidence that proves that mixed combat units do much worse than all male combat units.
Better for men yes, more important is teaching the values of stoicism, dedication and self restraint with understanding violence. Plenty of men fight and learn nothing from it, there’s a reason every single great warrior society valued stoicism or the equivalent of it (hagakure). Could some women gain from this? Not really, concepts of self sacrifice are completely lost on a sex that’s only value historically has been surviving to breed.
I disagree. On the contrary I think it is more important for women to develop discipline in a focused manner as they seem far less inclined to do so by natural inclination, especially in times of peace. When times are hard women's behavior changes significantly.
The problem is that society stops treating them like adults when times are not hard.
No, even when times are hard the role difference has always been extremely present. Women aren’t the same as men, and by that difference what they are able to excel at has and always will be different then men. This idea that women receiving teaching in men’s diligence is the same stupidity that believes that men ditching stoicism will lead to a kinder society.
I don't think women learning how to fight would be a good idea at all. They already talk constantly about harming people for existing, don't give them the tools to back up their words.
The most non talky non bitchy women I know are those that trained a martial art with men.
I sometimes wonder if this is because they know just how hard men can actually hit when they care to.
Not only that, but the idea of women being worth just as much (read: the same) as men goes out the window the second they start dying in the field, or get captured. Sending women into wars when you have an alternative is like going neck first.