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I think we should have a thread for sggestions for some easily accessible, classic entertainment that is uninfected by this crap.
posted 5 years ago by BrainJuice 5 years ago by BrainJuice +111 / -0

Stuff like Tolkien or C.S. Lewis are obvious, but other authors, movies, music, or entertainment might not be as well known.

So, how about a thread that lists some recommendations for things untouched by modern insanity?

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– Smith1980 16 points 5 years ago +16 / -0

Robert Heinlein, any of the nebula/Hugo award winning year end books pre 2013.

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– ArtemisFoul 10 points 5 years ago +10 / -0

If anyone's looking for sci-fi or fantasy literature I'd generally recommend checking out Baen Books' selection. Some literally who tried to cancel them recently so they could use the help, and they have some good stuff. I got the first three Monster Hunter books by Larry Correia from them - haven't read them yet, but I enjoyed his blog in the past.

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– LungPaoSicken 6 points 5 years ago +6 / -0

I just started the 1632 series and it's awesome.

The author made a point that he was sick of authors being grimly cynical and edgy and everyone constantly shitting on blue-collar folks.

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– Javaed 5 points 5 years ago +5 / -0

I've read dozens of the books they've published, but quality seems to have gone down since Jim Baen died. I'd warn people that if you start any of the older series expect to be disappointed by poor or non-existent conclusions.

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– Smith1980 4 points 5 years ago +4 / -0

Ok thanks! Yes, I meant to bring them up and start supporting them. Why are ether being attacked?

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– ArtemisFoul 7 points 5 years ago +7 / -0

They ran a small internet forum on their site for decades, it had its own small community of regulars and it wasn't very PC - so some nobody, jealous of some of the more accomplished authors published by Baen, tried to cancel them.

This explains what happened: https://monsterhunternation.com/2021/02/16/publishing-house-baen-books-attacked-by-cancel-culture/

This is the whiny bitch that started it: https://www.patreon.com/posts/47582408

And here's some aftermath: https://monsterhunternation.com/2021/02/19/an-open-letter-to-the-old-time-fans-at-worldcon/

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– Smith1980 4 points 5 years ago +4 / -0

Cool. Thanks!

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– CatoTheElder 9 points 5 years ago +9 / -0

I don't know that Heinlein qualifies for being not woke. I Will Fear No Evil is a tranny fantasy, Friday is pure Girl-Power, the same again for Glory Road. All of his books containing Lazarus Long have enough incest to satisfy G. R. R. M. (Long marries his mother in To Sail Beyond the Sunset.) Beyond This Horizon is a satire of the second amendment and capitalism. Job: A Comedy of Justice is just Atheism+. Heinlein himself toured the USSR during the 60's, and Asimov remarked that Heinlein was a "flaming Liberal" during the 1930's, all of which puts his works in question. That being said, "Inside Intourist", and "Pravda Means "Truth"" are still worth a read, if only to see what is coming for the US. None of this is to say that Heinlein is not one of the Great Science fiction authors, merely that he is not even close to being conservative.

As for the Hugos, don't bother, they have always been woke and they were really bad even before 2013 (John Scalzi was nominated in 2009). I spot checked a few of their earlier years. For example, Ursla K. Le Guin won in 1970 (beating out Larry Nivien), and she is every bit as bad as some of TheImpossible1's "favorite" authors. G. R. R. M. was also getting nominations if not Awards as far back as at least 1975.

If you want fiction that isn't woke, you are gonna have to read stuff that is pre-1960's. Pre-WWII is even better. Some specific examples are Robert E. Howard (Do read his Solomon Kane stories, not just Conan. Don't bother with Conan from other authors.), H. P. Lovecraft, and the greatest science fiction writer: E. E. "Doc." Smith. Read the Lensman series, and the Skylark series for sure.

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– CptLightning 5 points 5 years ago +5 / -0

Ursla K. Le Guin won in 1970 (beating out Larry Nivien), and she is every bit as bad as some of TheImpossible1's "favorite" authors.

Yes but A Wizard of Earthsea and The Tombs of Atuan are fantastic books. Just don't read any author's notes or forewards

If you don't want to give them any money, there's always a massive collection of sci-fi/fantasy sorted by decade and author on /t/. Think they've finally gotten through the 2000s

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– somercet 4 points 5 years ago +4 / -0

If you want fiction that isn't woke

I recommend Jeffro's Appendix N series.

http://www.castaliahouse.com/review-the-dying-earth-by-jack-vance/
http://www.castaliahouse.com/retrospective-three-hearts-and-three-lions-by-poul-anderson/
http://www.castaliahouse.com/retrospective-the-high-crusade-by-poul-anderson/
http://www.castaliahouse.com/retrospective-the-eyes-of-the-overworld-by-jack-vance/
http://www.castaliahouse.com/retrospective-a-princess-of-mars-by-edgar-rice-burroughs/
http://www.castaliahouse.com/retrospective-jack-of-shadows-by-roger-zelazny/
http://www.castaliahouse.com/retrospective-at-the-earths-core-by-edgar-rice-burroughs/
http://www.castaliahouse.com/retrospective-pirates-of-venus-by-edgar-rice-burroughs/
http://www.castaliahouse.com/retrospective-nine-princes-in-amber-by-roger-zelazny/
http://www.castaliahouse.com/retrospective-the-coming-of-conan-the-cimmerian-by-robert-e-howard/
http://www.castaliahouse.com/retrospective-creep-shadow-by-abraham-merritt/
http://www.castaliahouse.com/retrospective-the-moon-pool-by-abraham-merritt/
http://www.castaliahouse.com/retrospective-kothar-barbarian-swordsman-by-gardner-fox/
http://www.castaliahouse.com/retrospective-changeling-earth-by-fred-saberhagen/
http://www.castaliahouse.com/retrospective-the-face-in-the-frost-by-john-bellairs/
http://www.castaliahouse.com/retrospective-dwellers-in-the-mirage-by-abraham-merritt/
http://www.castaliahouse.com/retrospective-lest-darkness-fall-by-l-sprague-de-camp/
http://www.castaliahouse.com/retrospective-the-blue-star-by-fletcher-pratt/
http://www.castaliahouse.com/retrospective-kyrik-warlock-warrior-by-gardener-f-fox/
http://www.castaliahouse.com/retrospective-berserker-by-fred-saberhagen/
http://www.castaliahouse.com/retrospective-the-king-of-elflands-daughter-by-lord-dunsany/
http://www.castaliahouse.com/retrospective-hieros-journey-by-sterling-lanier/
http://www.castaliahouse.com/retrospective-star-mans-son-by-andre-norton/
http://www.castaliahouse.com/retrospective-ill-met-in-lankhmar-by-fritz-leiber/
http://www.castaliahouse.com/retrospective-the-complete-cthulhu-mythos-tales-by-h-p-lovecraft/
http://www.castaliahouse.com/retrospective-the-broken-sword-by-poul-anderson/
http://www.castaliahouse.com/retrospective-the-maker-of-worlds-by-philip-jose-farmer/
http://www.castaliahouse.com/retrospective-the-sword-of-rhiannon-by-leigh-brackett/
http://www.castaliahouse.com/retrospective-a-martian-odyssey-and-the-complete-planetary-series-by-stanley-grauman-weinbaum/
http://www.castaliahouse.com/retrospective-the-jewel-in-the-skull-by-michael-moorcock/
http://www.castaliahouse.com/retrospective-the-trail-of-cthulhu-by-august-derlath/
http://www.castaliahouse.com/retrospective-swords-against-darkness-iii-edited-by-andrew-j-offut/
http://www.castaliahouse.com/retrospective-the-carnelian-cube-by-l-sprague-de-camp-and-fletcher-pratt/
http://www.castaliahouse.com/retrospective-the-warrior-of-worlds-end-by-lin-carter/
http://www.castaliahouse.com/retrospective-the-shadow-people-by-margaret-st-clair/
http://www.castaliahouse.com/retrospective-the-fallible-fiend-by-l-sprague-de-camp/
http://www.castaliahouse.com/retrospective-the-stealer-of-souls-by-michael-moorcock/
http://www.castaliahouse.com/retrospective-the-legion-of-space-by-jack-williamson/
http://www.castaliahouse.com/retrospective-sign-of-the-labrys-by-margaret-st-clair/
http://www.castaliahouse.com/retrospective-the-best-of-fredric-brown-edited-by-robert-bloch/
http://www.castaliahouse.com/retrospective-stormbringer-by-michael-moorcock/
http://www.castaliahouse.com/retrospective-battle-in-the-dawn-by-manly-wade-wellman/
http://www.castaliahouse.com/retrospective-the-complete-compleat-enchanter-by-l-sprague-de-camp-and-fletcher-pratt/
http://www.castaliahouse.com/retrospective-the-hobbit-and-the-lord-of-the-rings-by-j-r-r-tolkien/
http://www.castaliahouse.com/appendix-n-matters/

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– deleted 6 points 5 years ago +6 / -0
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– CatoTheElder 9 points 5 years ago +9 / -0

Only if you like subjecting yourself to writing like this:

"He patted the thing he wore on his belt, a metal object like a deformed penis, and looked patronizingly at the unarmed woman. She gave the phallic object, which she knew was a weapon, a cold glance."

From The Dispossessed, which won a Hugo over Mote in God's Eye by Niven and Pournelle in 1975.

However, James May already did your research for you, in his (first draft, rambling) essay "The Death of Science Fiction Literature". Unfortunatly his website lapsed or was taken down a few years ago. It is archived here and here.

His essay makes clear that the hate against males and the hate against whites are two prongs of attack from the same cartel. Pay especial attention to the role John Scalzi and GRRM had in the death of Sci-Fi. The only problem with the essay is it still is very much in the DR^3 camp, which is a waste of time.

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– BigDaddyDangler 3 points 5 years ago +3 / -0

G. M.

He doesn't deserve the R. R., and no I'm not referencing some stupid ass costume rap battles with derivative writing as bad as his. It's not even part of his real goddamn name and despite saying he's a fan and his work is a response to the imitators...he has gone on to say Tolkien's work has plotholes and asking if Orcs and Elves bang, ok? Seriously Martin is a Hollyweird bitch made twat that keeps pandering to the normies that obsess over his glorified softcore porn.

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– somercet 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

That's the best thing about The Dispossessed: it unflinchingly shows the poverty and boredom of Communism even if it worked right.

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– deleted 8 points 5 years ago +8 / -0
... continue reading thread?

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