Personally, I can get real loose with my expressions around my irl friends. And I know how it sounds if a bystander overhears. My excuse is that it's one part lazy group labeling and another part emotional release.
That sort of thing does not concern me. Being free is a good thing, not a bad thing. That said, it is also much different from having a deep ideological commitment to a point of view that vilifies a particular group of people. Make no mistake that any place that allows free speech attracts a good contingent of people who have an obsession with this particular ethnic group, and frankly, they ruin any forum with their nonsense.
I dunno - I don't expect us all to be buddies here, but I hope to see us all work towards similar goals with very little infighting. Maybe that's naive of me.
Then we have to focus on what unites us, which is that SJWs are bad, not something else. In fact, I'd argue that it's a distraction. If people's focus is on the Jews, then they're missing a lot of what happens.
We have an odd bunch, so anyone doing their part to lurk before posting should understand what we're really about...but I have been surprised at the occasional "normie" stumbling in here.
Some people have told me that I need to learn what this place is, or accused me of being a Chinese bot. So at the very least, we are attracting some people not from Reddit.
Make no mistake that any place that allows free speech attracts a good contingent of people who have an obsession with this particular ethnic group, and frankly, they ruin any forum with their nonsense.
Yeah, I get that. I find it exhausting at times. But any that cross the threshold to adapt to their new community instead of letting obsession rule their habits should be welcomed. Certainly not as common as I'd like.
In fact, I'd argue that it's a distraction.
Agreed. It's like an unripened fruit picked up off the ground. I want to see that fruit get turned into a pie, at least.
Like, Impossible1 is a bro sometimes, but he's kind of our local warning sign about getting too caught up in that type of obsession. It's shocking and humorous at first, but then you say "Damn bro are you alright".
Some people have told me that I need to learn what this place is, or accused me of being a Chinese bot. So at the very least, we are attracting some people not from Reddit.
Pretty sure I've seen that tossed at you even on r/kia2. I appreciate the efforts you've put in even if I disagree with how you handle things.
As for the new blood, it's a toss-up. We're neighbors with thedonald and several other "wrong think" groups now, even if the distance grows from here. I don't think our little hole here is the only place they can go to say naughty things now, so that helps. We may have successfully reached some people that we couldn't have reached on reddit, so that's pretty good.
Yeah, I get that. I find it exhausting at times. But any that cross the threshold to adapt to their new community instead of letting obsession rule their habits should be welcomed. Certainly not as common as I'd like.
I agree. I certainly don't want to ban people who have 'bad' opinions if they're not wrecking the place, intentionally or unintentionally. There are people who can keep it in their pockets, although it's almost as if they're waiting for the moderators to cease their vigilance for just one moment to start spewing some crap.
Like, Impossible1 is a bro sometimes, but he's kind of our local warning sign about getting too caught up in that type of obsession. It's shocking and humorous at first, but then you say "Damn bro are you alright".
It's easy to vilify groups and justify it as 'pattern recognition', as no one does the actual research necessary to justify the kinds of claims made. I've seen many of these people claim that 'most' of the anti-white ideologues are Jewish, but never did they present any evidence. And even if they did, the relationship with what the conclusions they want to draw is tenuous at best.
Pretty sure I've seen that tossed at you even on r/kia2. I appreciate the efforts you've put in even if I disagree with how you handle things.
And I appreciate that. Yes, it occurs on /r/kia2 at times, but much less than here. If you were around for the whole 'talks' things, that was when people (at least vocal ones) were most angry, for the least cause by the way. I'm actually surprised at how little people protest against much more far-reaching stuff like taking the place private. And most people regard it as undesirable, it seems to me, unlike you.
As for the new blood, it's a toss-up. We're neighbors with thedonald and several other "wrong think" groups now, even if the distance grows from here. I don't think our little hole here is the only place they can go to say naughty things now, so that helps. We may have successfully reached some people that we couldn't have reached on reddit, so that's pretty good.
The voting suggests that there tons of crazies here, quite ironic considering that they can voice their opinions in so many other places. I do think TD bans 'wacism' and other wrongthink, so who knows?
If you were around for the whole 'talks' things, that was when people (at least vocal ones) were most angry, for the least cause by the way.
I was just lurking back then, but I was around. My final interpretation of the event was that you did every single thing you could to negotiate in good faith. I found it overkill...but afterwards, you were left without any real room for fault on that front because you went so far in trying to make it work; no one could say "well, if he'd only done ___ or avoided ___, then maybe a different result could have been achieved." Could be coincidental, but I think it ended up fine.
I don't think you needed to go such lengths simply because they were being bitches and you weren't.
I'm actually surprised at how little people protest against much more far-reaching stuff like taking the place private. And most people regard it as undesirable, it seems to me, unlike you.
I wonder about that first part myself. Could be as simple as people liking a boost to the 'secret club' aspect.
My personal defense of my position for keeping it private is how it went last time (and I am prepared to change this position if it proves false this time). There was a decrease in useless comments and an increase in useful comments. I can't explain why that would occur, but I didn't imagine it. I love seeing new and unique ideas, interpretations, and arguments, so I'll naturally support whatever gets me that.
Less selfishly, I've questioned you mildly about it in the past because staying public seems like it's just a big hassle for the mods. Dealing with the admins' crazy rules plus random attacks from counter-interest groups (and deranged individuals). It's honestly amazing the sub is still up, I wonder if it's due to being a low priority or just from people getting confused about us being kia2 while kia is totally different.
Here's hoping we get none of that bullshit going on here.
I do think TD bans 'wacism' and other wrongthink, so who knows?
I was actually keeping track of those social dynamics before we moved here, but then the tone of discourse started changing slowly on TD and that threw me for a loop because I couldn't understand it. It's kind of like birdwatching, in a way, seeing one type of poster get booted from a place and then finding a similar one pop up in a nearby site shortly after.
I'll give you a hint, if you don't follow E-news much. Voat shut down a about 2 months ago, leaving many /pol/ types without a place to talk. Surprisingly, I haven't noticed more than a few of them pop up here, so maybe there was a true scatter reaction. Perhaps they're just lurking.
I was just lurking back then, but I was around. My final interpretation of the event was that you did every single thing you could to negotiate in good faith. I found it overkill...but afterwards, you were left without any real room for fault on that front because you went so far in trying to make it work; no one could say "well, if he'd only done ___ or avoided ___, then maybe a different result could have been achieved." Could be coincidental, but I think it ended up fine.
Yes, we did very hard to avoid responding to their provocations. There was also the matter that there were some moderators who were genuinely interested in reform, but in a pinch, they'd side with their colleagues. So if the anti-reform moderators managed to provoke us into doing something, even if it was their fault, it would not happen. Note that we were actually trying to make things better, not cast blame on a failure on them.
But most people were mad about not being able to post KiA meta posts, which wasn't happening anyway. Anger always comes when you least expect it.
I don't think you needed to go such lengths simply because they were being bitches and you weren't.
Sometimes you have to deal with bitches and humor their nonsense if you want to get something done. In the end, we didn't get anything done, but we didn't lose anything as a result.
There was a decrease in useless comments and an increase in useful comments. I can't explain why that would occur, but I didn't imagine it. I love seeing new and unique ideas, interpretations, and arguments, so I'll naturally support whatever gets me that.
But the sub does not exist so a small club can have useful comments, we're trying to make things better. And we can't do that if we are closed to the world.
Less selfishly, I've questioned you mildly about it in the past because staying public seems like it's just a big hassle for the mods.
It's quite a headache, for me at least because I'm ultimately responsible for what happens. But we all have our cross to bear, and it being a hassle is no excuse for not doing what is best for the community, in our judgment at least. If it were up to me, I'd have resigned long ago, because it lifts a giant load from my shoulders, but that would be a betrayal of the community. Not because the other mods are not good (and indeed, better than I am), but because they don't have as much knowledge of and experience with admin shenanigans.
It's honestly amazing the sub is still up, I wonder if it's due to being a low priority or just from people getting confused about us being kia2 while kia is totally different.
Outsiders do not see such differences of gradiations. To them, we're all just "Nazis". But they have greater opportunities of attack on us because KiA has put so many things off limits. When you don't talk about BLM at all, you're not going to get glowies who go full Coontown.
I'll give you a hint, if you don't follow E-news much. Voat shut down a about 2 months ago, leaving many /pol/ types without a place to talk.
Oh, they got Voat too, eh?
I feel bad about having to ban people who have no other place to go - it's my natural instinct to side with the underdog. But I can't let them ruin our community either.
That sort of thing does not concern me. Being free is a good thing, not a bad thing. That said, it is also much different from having a deep ideological commitment to a point of view that vilifies a particular group of people. Make no mistake that any place that allows free speech attracts a good contingent of people who have an obsession with this particular ethnic group, and frankly, they ruin any forum with their nonsense.
Then we have to focus on what unites us, which is that SJWs are bad, not something else. In fact, I'd argue that it's a distraction. If people's focus is on the Jews, then they're missing a lot of what happens.
Some people have told me that I need to learn what this place is, or accused me of being a Chinese bot. So at the very least, we are attracting some people not from Reddit.
Yeah, I get that. I find it exhausting at times. But any that cross the threshold to adapt to their new community instead of letting obsession rule their habits should be welcomed. Certainly not as common as I'd like.
Agreed. It's like an unripened fruit picked up off the ground. I want to see that fruit get turned into a pie, at least.
Like, Impossible1 is a bro sometimes, but he's kind of our local warning sign about getting too caught up in that type of obsession. It's shocking and humorous at first, but then you say "Damn bro are you alright".
Pretty sure I've seen that tossed at you even on r/kia2. I appreciate the efforts you've put in even if I disagree with how you handle things.
As for the new blood, it's a toss-up. We're neighbors with thedonald and several other "wrong think" groups now, even if the distance grows from here. I don't think our little hole here is the only place they can go to say naughty things now, so that helps. We may have successfully reached some people that we couldn't have reached on reddit, so that's pretty good.
I agree. I certainly don't want to ban people who have 'bad' opinions if they're not wrecking the place, intentionally or unintentionally. There are people who can keep it in their pockets, although it's almost as if they're waiting for the moderators to cease their vigilance for just one moment to start spewing some crap.
It's easy to vilify groups and justify it as 'pattern recognition', as no one does the actual research necessary to justify the kinds of claims made. I've seen many of these people claim that 'most' of the anti-white ideologues are Jewish, but never did they present any evidence. And even if they did, the relationship with what the conclusions they want to draw is tenuous at best.
And I appreciate that. Yes, it occurs on /r/kia2 at times, but much less than here. If you were around for the whole 'talks' things, that was when people (at least vocal ones) were most angry, for the least cause by the way. I'm actually surprised at how little people protest against much more far-reaching stuff like taking the place private. And most people regard it as undesirable, it seems to me, unlike you.
The voting suggests that there tons of crazies here, quite ironic considering that they can voice their opinions in so many other places. I do think TD bans 'wacism' and other wrongthink, so who knows?
I was just lurking back then, but I was around. My final interpretation of the event was that you did every single thing you could to negotiate in good faith. I found it overkill...but afterwards, you were left without any real room for fault on that front because you went so far in trying to make it work; no one could say "well, if he'd only done ___ or avoided ___, then maybe a different result could have been achieved." Could be coincidental, but I think it ended up fine.
I don't think you needed to go such lengths simply because they were being bitches and you weren't.
I wonder about that first part myself. Could be as simple as people liking a boost to the 'secret club' aspect.
My personal defense of my position for keeping it private is how it went last time (and I am prepared to change this position if it proves false this time). There was a decrease in useless comments and an increase in useful comments. I can't explain why that would occur, but I didn't imagine it. I love seeing new and unique ideas, interpretations, and arguments, so I'll naturally support whatever gets me that.
Less selfishly, I've questioned you mildly about it in the past because staying public seems like it's just a big hassle for the mods. Dealing with the admins' crazy rules plus random attacks from counter-interest groups (and deranged individuals). It's honestly amazing the sub is still up, I wonder if it's due to being a low priority or just from people getting confused about us being kia2 while kia is totally different.
Here's hoping we get none of that bullshit going on here.
I was actually keeping track of those social dynamics before we moved here, but then the tone of discourse started changing slowly on TD and that threw me for a loop because I couldn't understand it. It's kind of like birdwatching, in a way, seeing one type of poster get booted from a place and then finding a similar one pop up in a nearby site shortly after.
I'll give you a hint, if you don't follow E-news much. Voat shut down a about 2 months ago, leaving many /pol/ types without a place to talk. Surprisingly, I haven't noticed more than a few of them pop up here, so maybe there was a true scatter reaction. Perhaps they're just lurking.
Yes, we did very hard to avoid responding to their provocations. There was also the matter that there were some moderators who were genuinely interested in reform, but in a pinch, they'd side with their colleagues. So if the anti-reform moderators managed to provoke us into doing something, even if it was their fault, it would not happen. Note that we were actually trying to make things better, not cast blame on a failure on them.
But most people were mad about not being able to post KiA meta posts, which wasn't happening anyway. Anger always comes when you least expect it.
Sometimes you have to deal with bitches and humor their nonsense if you want to get something done. In the end, we didn't get anything done, but we didn't lose anything as a result.
But the sub does not exist so a small club can have useful comments, we're trying to make things better. And we can't do that if we are closed to the world.
It's quite a headache, for me at least because I'm ultimately responsible for what happens. But we all have our cross to bear, and it being a hassle is no excuse for not doing what is best for the community, in our judgment at least. If it were up to me, I'd have resigned long ago, because it lifts a giant load from my shoulders, but that would be a betrayal of the community. Not because the other mods are not good (and indeed, better than I am), but because they don't have as much knowledge of and experience with admin shenanigans.
Outsiders do not see such differences of gradiations. To them, we're all just "Nazis". But they have greater opportunities of attack on us because KiA has put so many things off limits. When you don't talk about BLM at all, you're not going to get glowies who go full Coontown.
Oh, they got Voat too, eh?
I feel bad about having to ban people who have no other place to go - it's my natural instinct to side with the underdog. But I can't let them ruin our community either.