Note this wasn't related to that trial, nor is this intended to be some "imagine if the situations were reversed!" thread. My point is simply that a lawyer went into trial
Using a computer used by someone else (probably his kid) using a zoom filter
Is unable to turn it off without an assistant's help
These are the sorts of people who will decide if a meme is illegal.
I am forced to work with a certain states liquor control board, which recently expanded into Cannabis.
Instead of hiring actual cannabis professionals they just...promoted shitty people who they didn't want in liquor anymore.
So now the entire state regulation committee is run by people with no knowledge of cannabis and who represent the liquor industry, which is the largest loser when legal cannabis shows up.
Take a wild guess how well that is going? They aren't interested in making anything better for anyone, just solving their own petty little problems at your expense.
This among other reasons is why I've been forced to conclude I no longer wish to reform the system but rather remove myself from it as much as possible.
If you for example live in a state with only a sales tax, bartering with your neighbors for anything you can't produce yourself, it's very difficult for the tax-man to collect his share. Though you'd still have property tax unless you lived somewhere like Alaska Bush Country
If the tax man wanted his share, he'd get it. Barter is taxable exchange reportable at the monetary value of the exchange. That is, if you "sold" five carrots for five apples, and FMV of a carrot was 0.15 while an apple was 0.10, you'd be obligated to pay 0.25 profit worth of taxes, and the other would claim a loss of the same.
Obviously they wouldn't go after a quarter, the rules were made for exchanging bricks of gold for bricks of drugs, "barter" exchanges worth hundreds of thousands of dollars, but if the tax man wishes, the tax man can extract. The system is designed so that people can believe they escaped it, but never actually can: It's a two-layer Matrix system, those fighting the Machines outside the Matrix are just in a second Matrix, because who would ever believe it to be two-tiers deep?
If the King's men decide to raze your village and rape your women there's not much you can do. I think the trick is to not draw too much attention to yourself so that they don't feel compelled to do so.
If the tax-man wants a cut from the apples I trade for some milk from my neighbor's cow I suppose he can try to get it, but if me and my neighbor are two hours away from the nearest town let alone the tax-man, I don't know how he'd know he needed to collect tax on that.
"Noticed" is different than "will prosecute". In some states literally every car on the highway is going minimum 10 mph over the posted speed limit, and the state is incapable of citing let alone prosecuting everyone who does it. But if you go too much faster than everyone else or speed in addition to doing something else you'll get nailed.
I expect that over time pretty much all laws will become like speeding is in those jurisdictions
I take it you don't have cameras set up on every street where you live? I recently visited some family in TN, saw a few towns like this where they remotely enforced speed limits. Take pictures, read numbers, mail out a fine.
People there told me it "worked". Authorized vehicles obviously exempt, so you still get fire truck joyrides.
I expect over time for all laws to be technologically enforced like this.
With the rush to push everyone to home there's a ton of these non-tech inclined people doing quite a ton of things. I've been working from home at least some of the time since 2015 and was about 80% of the time at home before the WuFlu hit.
I'm either not allowed or encouraged to be careful when I'm at home with respect to using unsecure third party meeting software (e.g. Zoom), having smart devices like an Echo around, allowing anyone else to use my company computer, certain personal use of company computer, doing company business on my personal computer, etc. Bear in mind this is all to protect proprietary information for the most part. I could leak my entire computer and everything I have access to and no personal information like could be used for identity theft would be in it, except maybe my own.
When it all hit last year, I helped a couple people get things set up. Both were using personal computers that their kids also used occasionally, etc. It was just install a VPN and jump on the Zoom meeting or do your work right there. One of these people worked in payroll processing for God sake. Just piles and piles of personal information of people they were processing, you know Excel files full of data, etc. on someone's personal computer that isn't even sort of secure, encrypted, or anything. It's totally crazy and I was a bit mindblown.
A few years back I was in a conference call with my company's legal team and another company's legal team over some IP dispute, and before the call our lawyers checked that the presentation system worked and even that the mute button on the phone did in fact turn off the microphone.
I don't expect lawyers to perform IT miracles but I do expect them to at least test something new out to ensure it works correctly before going to court with it. "I let my kid/grandkid use this laptop, so I should make sure it's working right before my important court session" is a reasonable expectation I would think.
I didn't even know you could be made into a cat on there. Stupid feature if you ask me. Video conferencing is overrated anyway.
But yeah, showing up to court proceedings as a virtual cat, I feel like that would be like me hiring an attorney who shows up to actual physical court in a swimsuit. It just doesn't present a "we are totally on top of our game" vibe.
I too am surprised there's not an "actually this is serious and we don't want people on this call to show up as cats" mode that can be set as default. Seems like an obvious feature, but then again I wouldn't be surprised if zoom wants shit like this to happen for free advertising purposes (notice how the zoom logo is always prominently shown in these videos).
It might not always be Zoom's fault. I know when I use a vTuber overlay (I'm not a vTuber, was just curious how it worked), it interfaces directly with the camera input/output, not later programs which use that camera information. In such a situation, no amount of "idiot-proofing" on Zoom's part would prevent me from appearing (or not appearing as it may be) on camera in a certain aesthetic.
Had to help a family friend on the other side of the country verify his dead wife's will last week, just did shit from my phone to avoid the headache, but then came having to e-verify the signature and me and his lawyer emailing back and forth and the woman telling me "whatever your dad did worked" and my dad going i don't know what the hell i did, ask your brother, and my brother going he just scribbled on his ipad.
Like jesus christ.
Which i did end up doing from my computer and i haven't heard back so i'm assuming its good.
I think you'll find that that was NOT a filter and that cat's are devious creatures who have been controlling world events from the shadows for literally thousands of years.
And just to be clear, dogs are NOT their enemy. Horses are. Dogs are just controlled opposition.
Stop defending this guy. He produced campaign materials that were fraudulently attributed to a candidate for the explicit purpose of tricking American citizens into believing they had already voted. That is a crime even if you call it a meme. You'd have an argument if the false attribution was something self-evidently intended as a wink to the audience proving that it's not serious, like "Paid for by Giant Meteor For President 2020," but the complaint and affidavit has quotes from the accused stating that the intent was to produce believable, fraudulent campaign materials.
The whole point of elections is to trick people into voting a certain way, so I don't particularly care if this guy was trying to get people to vote a certain way (or not at all).
The point of campaigning is to convince people to vote a certain way. That does not mean anything goes. Falsifying the attribution is no different than forging a signature.
Note this wasn't related to that trial, nor is this intended to be some "imagine if the situations were reversed!" thread. My point is simply that a lawyer went into trial
These are the sorts of people who will decide if a meme is illegal.
I am forced to work with a certain states liquor control board, which recently expanded into Cannabis.
Instead of hiring actual cannabis professionals they just...promoted shitty people who they didn't want in liquor anymore.
So now the entire state regulation committee is run by people with no knowledge of cannabis and who represent the liquor industry, which is the largest loser when legal cannabis shows up.
Take a wild guess how well that is going? They aren't interested in making anything better for anyone, just solving their own petty little problems at your expense.
This among other reasons is why I've been forced to conclude I no longer wish to reform the system but rather remove myself from it as much as possible.
If you for example live in a state with only a sales tax, bartering with your neighbors for anything you can't produce yourself, it's very difficult for the tax-man to collect his share. Though you'd still have property tax unless you lived somewhere like Alaska Bush Country
If the tax man wanted his share, he'd get it. Barter is taxable exchange reportable at the monetary value of the exchange. That is, if you "sold" five carrots for five apples, and FMV of a carrot was 0.15 while an apple was 0.10, you'd be obligated to pay 0.25 profit worth of taxes, and the other would claim a loss of the same.
Obviously they wouldn't go after a quarter, the rules were made for exchanging bricks of gold for bricks of drugs, "barter" exchanges worth hundreds of thousands of dollars, but if the tax man wishes, the tax man can extract. The system is designed so that people can believe they escaped it, but never actually can: It's a two-layer Matrix system, those fighting the Machines outside the Matrix are just in a second Matrix, because who would ever believe it to be two-tiers deep?
If the King's men decide to raze your village and rape your women there's not much you can do. I think the trick is to not draw too much attention to yourself so that they don't feel compelled to do so.
If the tax-man wants a cut from the apples I trade for some milk from my neighbor's cow I suppose he can try to get it, but if me and my neighbor are two hours away from the nearest town let alone the tax-man, I don't know how he'd know he needed to collect tax on that.
If one man does it, and never accomplishes much with his life, The Man will not care about the man.
If a million do, however, it will be noticed.
"Noticed" is different than "will prosecute". In some states literally every car on the highway is going minimum 10 mph over the posted speed limit, and the state is incapable of citing let alone prosecuting everyone who does it. But if you go too much faster than everyone else or speed in addition to doing something else you'll get nailed.
I expect that over time pretty much all laws will become like speeding is in those jurisdictions
I take it you don't have cameras set up on every street where you live? I recently visited some family in TN, saw a few towns like this where they remotely enforced speed limits. Take pictures, read numbers, mail out a fine.
People there told me it "worked". Authorized vehicles obviously exempt, so you still get fire truck joyrides.
I expect over time for all laws to be technologically enforced like this.
With the rush to push everyone to home there's a ton of these non-tech inclined people doing quite a ton of things. I've been working from home at least some of the time since 2015 and was about 80% of the time at home before the WuFlu hit.
I'm either not allowed or encouraged to be careful when I'm at home with respect to using unsecure third party meeting software (e.g. Zoom), having smart devices like an Echo around, allowing anyone else to use my company computer, certain personal use of company computer, doing company business on my personal computer, etc. Bear in mind this is all to protect proprietary information for the most part. I could leak my entire computer and everything I have access to and no personal information like could be used for identity theft would be in it, except maybe my own.
When it all hit last year, I helped a couple people get things set up. Both were using personal computers that their kids also used occasionally, etc. It was just install a VPN and jump on the Zoom meeting or do your work right there. One of these people worked in payroll processing for God sake. Just piles and piles of personal information of people they were processing, you know Excel files full of data, etc. on someone's personal computer that isn't even sort of secure, encrypted, or anything. It's totally crazy and I was a bit mindblown.
A few years back I was in a conference call with my company's legal team and another company's legal team over some IP dispute, and before the call our lawyers checked that the presentation system worked and even that the mute button on the phone did in fact turn off the microphone.
I don't expect lawyers to perform IT miracles but I do expect them to at least test something new out to ensure it works correctly before going to court with it. "I let my kid/grandkid use this laptop, so I should make sure it's working right before my important court session" is a reasonable expectation I would think.
I didn't even know you could be made into a cat on there. Stupid feature if you ask me. Video conferencing is overrated anyway.
But yeah, showing up to court proceedings as a virtual cat, I feel like that would be like me hiring an attorney who shows up to actual physical court in a swimsuit. It just doesn't present a "we are totally on top of our game" vibe.
I too am surprised there's not an "actually this is serious and we don't want people on this call to show up as cats" mode that can be set as default. Seems like an obvious feature, but then again I wouldn't be surprised if zoom wants shit like this to happen for free advertising purposes (notice how the zoom logo is always prominently shown in these videos).
It might not always be Zoom's fault. I know when I use a vTuber overlay (I'm not a vTuber, was just curious how it worked), it interfaces directly with the camera input/output, not later programs which use that camera information. In such a situation, no amount of "idiot-proofing" on Zoom's part would prevent me from appearing (or not appearing as it may be) on camera in a certain aesthetic.
You would think but if you work in IT this shit ain’t surprising...
Had to help a family friend on the other side of the country verify his dead wife's will last week, just did shit from my phone to avoid the headache, but then came having to e-verify the signature and me and his lawyer emailing back and forth and the woman telling me "whatever your dad did worked" and my dad going i don't know what the hell i did, ask your brother, and my brother going he just scribbled on his ipad.
Like jesus christ.
Which i did end up doing from my computer and i haven't heard back so i'm assuming its good.
AKSHULLY
I think you'll find that that was NOT a filter and that cat's are devious creatures who have been controlling world events from the shadows for literally thousands of years.
And just to be clear, dogs are NOT their enemy. Horses are. Dogs are just controlled opposition.
SORRY KITTY, BUT YOUR MASKED SLIPPED.
What kind of hell do you think Boomers like that go to when they die?
Do you think they get treated how they treat their children, or worse?
I like the "recording is prohibited"... so we can more easily cover up any improprieties during the hearing
$500 fine? Shit you'd make more than that just from the tweet going viral and being able to shill something.
Most people on the legal field can’t figure out their ass from their desktop which doesn’t surprise me though I find this funny yet kinda sad
Former paralegal here. This is a 100% true statement. Most attorneys and their support are astonishingly tech illiterate.
Stop defending this guy. He produced campaign materials that were fraudulently attributed to a candidate for the explicit purpose of tricking American citizens into believing they had already voted. That is a crime even if you call it a meme. You'd have an argument if the false attribution was something self-evidently intended as a wink to the audience proving that it's not serious, like "Paid for by Giant Meteor For President 2020," but the complaint and affidavit has quotes from the accused stating that the intent was to produce believable, fraudulent campaign materials.
The whole point of elections is to trick people into voting a certain way, so I don't particularly care if this guy was trying to get people to vote a certain way (or not at all).
The point of campaigning is to convince people to vote a certain way. That does not mean anything goes. Falsifying the attribution is no different than forging a signature.
Sure it is: if you forge a signature the FBI doesn't arrest you.
The only part where I have any objection is the fact that he didn't remove the fine print about the meme being part of the Clinton Campaign.
Other than that, you're fucking retarded if you think you can just text a vote. Also, call up the fucking elections board if you have a question.
Thats not at all what he did, dumbass.
Go play in traffic.