It doesn't matter if you think you should "fight back", or if you think I'm "fighting back". I'm the moderator here. You're violating Reddit's sitewide rules. You are engaging in targeted harassment when you stalk users to other subs. Your jurisdiction ends at your sub. Simple as. That is Reddit's sitewide rules. We abide by them. You think don't have to because the rules aren't enforced on default subs. But I have to enforce the rules to a T. That includes enforcing the rules you, even if it's your first time.
As for corporate sponsored narratives... you're part of a default sub: every word out of your mouth is corporately palatable, or it doesn't get tolerated. That's how Reddit has been for quite some time. Again, everywhere else on Reddit, the rules don't apply to you the same way they apply to everyone else. We don't have corporate value the way that default subs do.
This isn't about whatever some user said that you don't like. This about you thinking that being a default janny makes you too important and cool to follow the rules. You are engaging in targeted harassment of users in our sub. You will not be allowed to do that.
If you had a problem with that users, it ended at the boundary of your sub.
But your whingey little friends are allowed to misrepresent the sub I moderate - not a default sub, by the way, and if you're mistaking it for r/coronavirus not once has there been any interference from the Reddit Admins in what is or isn't allowed to be said on that sub. I'm not "stalking" or engaging in "targeted harassment", I'm standing up to someone who came to my sub and engaged in targeted bullying of people who are genuinely scared about COVID19 by pushing literally insane conspiracy garbage and, when I banned them, came to your sub to whine about it. Am I not allowed to give my side of the story? To stand up for myself? Wow, some free speech monitor you are. Classic.
You moderate 10 subs, look for the one that is a default.
In any case, there is always interference from the Reddit Admins in what is or isn't allowed to be said on every sub, including this one. This is why what you did was targeted harassment, we've seen the Admins enforce rules based on behavior like yours. We don't allow any of users to post in any threads they post because one instance of that happening is considered targeted harassment, and can cause an entire sub to be banned without warning as a brigading sub.
Again, by Reddit's rules, you are engaging in harassment, and I have a valid claim that all of your subs that you moderate may be engaging in brigading, and all of them should be removed without a single word of warning.
But again, that won't happen to you. You're a default janny. You're too important to have plebeian rules enforced against you.
Unless I enforce them... which I happen to be obligated to do.
So no, you're not allowed to "defend yourself" from the user's disagreeable opinions. And you're right, that isn't very free speech, but you're not on a free speech platform. You're on a corporate speech platform. The user you didn't like has apparently been permanently banned from the site. You can't have free speech on this site, because you got him removed and now he can't defend himselfeither.
If you wanted to engage in free speech, you should have asked your masters to put it back into the site.
But if you did that, you'd lose your mind with all the sacrilegious anti-corporate 'misinformation' and dangerous & degenerate assault speech that would hurt 'vulnerable' populations of victims you cultivate for your own sick, twisted, sense of power.
Spare me, wise janny of the patrician subs, from your lecture about the defense of Freedom of Speech in this slave market of a website you defend.
You really seem to have some quite serious delusions - have you thought of getting therapy? I really do think it would help you. Have a Happy Christmas, anyway.
I've actually always had that level of Sass, but the key issue here is that I was engaging in Rhetorical Warfare.
That little fuckhead knew exactly what he was doing when he wanted to take the discussion into the issue of Covid or masks. Use any statement about Covid or masks as a weapon against me and the sub as "misinformation".
Then, he could claim that moderators on KIA2 were spreading dangerous misinformation while harassing vulnerable users.
In warfare, it's important to understand enemy movements & positions, and the Left always changes it's position based on tactical advantage. If you attack an ideological position, they will always try to pincer you once you've exposed yourself, of they will withdraw from the position and change the subject.
You must always make your enemy fight you on your terms. Never his. His terms always end with him winning, so don't do that. Pin him on a position that he can't move from: himself.
Every single thing he did was make an attempt to deflect or distract my attack on him, towards something or someone else. He wanted to talk about the user, so we talk about him. He wanted to talk about his sub, so we talk about him. He wanted to talk about Free Speech and "self defense", so we talk about him. Whatever direction he wants to go, always use that direction to attack the same objective: him. Pin the enemy down. The Left is slippery as fuck, and intellectuals will always get outmaneuvered and outflanked because they don't understand that Leftists refuse to hold positions if it weakens them, and then they end up being effectively pincered by contradictory arguments. You can stand there and claim contradiction and hypocrisy, but that's your defense because you got put on the defensive due to their maneuvers. Even if they don't hold the pincer, they have the initiative and that's what matters.
Once he understood that I wasn't going to stop attacking, he attempted to undermine the attack by claiming unprincipled hypocrisy. No Leftist holds principles, they only agree to power. A Leftist telling you to hold a principled position is a Leftist telling you to pin yourself down. They will contradict themselves with contradictory positions only because it grants them additional avenues of attack. They do not believe in holding principled positions. Principles are a weakness.
Never allow yourself to be undermined by a liar accusing you of hypocrisy.
So, what do you do instead? Use it as another avenue of attack against your enemy and do not stop.
Now, is this a fair conversation. Fuck no. You shouldn't treat normal people like this. But that's the thing: Communists aren't people. They are your enemy, and they are at war with you. The proper way to greet a Communist is not "hello", it is "Enemy in the open".
Believe me. They think the same thing about you, and you didn't even do shit.
It doesn't matter if you think you should "fight back", or if you think I'm "fighting back". I'm the moderator here. You're violating Reddit's sitewide rules. You are engaging in targeted harassment when you stalk users to other subs. Your jurisdiction ends at your sub. Simple as. That is Reddit's sitewide rules. We abide by them. You think don't have to because the rules aren't enforced on default subs. But I have to enforce the rules to a T. That includes enforcing the rules you, even if it's your first time.
As for corporate sponsored narratives... you're part of a default sub: every word out of your mouth is corporately palatable, or it doesn't get tolerated. That's how Reddit has been for quite some time. Again, everywhere else on Reddit, the rules don't apply to you the same way they apply to everyone else. We don't have corporate value the way that default subs do.
This isn't about whatever some user said that you don't like. This about you thinking that being a default janny makes you too important and cool to follow the rules. You are engaging in targeted harassment of users in our sub. You will not be allowed to do that.
If you had a problem with that users, it ended at the boundary of your sub.
You moderate 10 subs, look for the one that is a default.
In any case, there is always interference from the Reddit Admins in what is or isn't allowed to be said on every sub, including this one. This is why what you did was targeted harassment, we've seen the Admins enforce rules based on behavior like yours. We don't allow any of users to post in any threads they post because one instance of that happening is considered targeted harassment, and can cause an entire sub to be banned without warning as a brigading sub.
Again, by Reddit's rules, you are engaging in harassment, and I have a valid claim that all of your subs that you moderate may be engaging in brigading, and all of them should be removed without a single word of warning.
But again, that won't happen to you. You're a default janny. You're too important to have plebeian rules enforced against you.
Unless I enforce them... which I happen to be obligated to do.
So no, you're not allowed to "defend yourself" from the user's disagreeable opinions. And you're right, that isn't very free speech, but you're not on a free speech platform. You're on a corporate speech platform. The user you didn't like has apparently been permanently banned from the site. You can't have free speech on this site, because you got him removed and now he can't defend himself either.
If you wanted to engage in free speech, you should have asked your masters to put it back into the site.
But if you did that, you'd lose your mind with all the sacrilegious anti-corporate 'misinformation' and dangerous & degenerate assault speech that would hurt 'vulnerable' populations of victims you cultivate for your own sick, twisted, sense of power.
Spare me, wise janny of the patrician subs, from your lecture about the defense of Freedom of Speech in this slave market of a website you defend.
You really seem to have some quite serious delusions - have you thought of getting therapy? I really do think it would help you. Have a Happy Christmas, anyway.
Dom out here with a level of sass I ain't seen before. A true wordsmith.
I've actually always had that level of Sass, but the key issue here is that I was engaging in Rhetorical Warfare.
That little fuckhead knew exactly what he was doing when he wanted to take the discussion into the issue of Covid or masks. Use any statement about Covid or masks as a weapon against me and the sub as "misinformation".
Then, he could claim that moderators on KIA2 were spreading dangerous misinformation while harassing vulnerable users.
In warfare, it's important to understand enemy movements & positions, and the Left always changes it's position based on tactical advantage. If you attack an ideological position, they will always try to pincer you once you've exposed yourself, of they will withdraw from the position and change the subject.
You must always make your enemy fight you on your terms. Never his. His terms always end with him winning, so don't do that. Pin him on a position that he can't move from: himself.
Every single thing he did was make an attempt to deflect or distract my attack on him, towards something or someone else. He wanted to talk about the user, so we talk about him. He wanted to talk about his sub, so we talk about him. He wanted to talk about Free Speech and "self defense", so we talk about him. Whatever direction he wants to go, always use that direction to attack the same objective: him. Pin the enemy down. The Left is slippery as fuck, and intellectuals will always get outmaneuvered and outflanked because they don't understand that Leftists refuse to hold positions if it weakens them, and then they end up being effectively pincered by contradictory arguments. You can stand there and claim contradiction and hypocrisy, but that's your defense because you got put on the defensive due to their maneuvers. Even if they don't hold the pincer, they have the initiative and that's what matters.
Once he understood that I wasn't going to stop attacking, he attempted to undermine the attack by claiming unprincipled hypocrisy. No Leftist holds principles, they only agree to power. A Leftist telling you to hold a principled position is a Leftist telling you to pin yourself down. They will contradict themselves with contradictory positions only because it grants them additional avenues of attack. They do not believe in holding principled positions. Principles are a weakness.
Never allow yourself to be undermined by a liar accusing you of hypocrisy.
So, what do you do instead? Use it as another avenue of attack against your enemy and do not stop.
Now, is this a fair conversation. Fuck no. You shouldn't treat normal people like this. But that's the thing: Communists aren't people. They are your enemy, and they are at war with you. The proper way to greet a Communist is not "hello", it is "Enemy in the open".
Believe me. They think the same thing about you, and you didn't even do shit.