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it literally doesnt matter , they still consider themselves a different tribe (a "chosen tribe") and they follow a , different historical, different lineage and different identity they do not identify with white europeans and see themselves as a separate group(and they generally hate europeans) . Plus they would not care so much if things are messed up in the west cause they can run to israel but no european can.
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.... when Jews call themselves "chosen tribe/people" they mean "god's chosen people" meant to lead the "goyim" no one else thinks like this . Second your point about different types of Jews literally just adds to my point that they identify as being Jewish first, . . Ashkenazi would sooner identify with Ethiopian Jews than they would a European, because as i said they follow a different lineage and identity. Aka the shared "Jewish " identity
and i am not "complaining" about the right of return (except maybe the hypocrisy of it to create an Ethno state whilst saying its wrong for others to do so) so much as i am pointing out the fact that it only applies to Jews, it does not apply to European so you cannot keep trying to pretend like Ashkenazi are Europeans cause they are not they do not think themselves as that, they follow a different lineage and identity (a Semitic one) and have their own tribe that they belong to, that is not European. (And they hate Europeans).
"Proselytization doesn't real" is not a valid argument. Yes many people's thing like this. I find it hard to think of a situation where any population has never thought like this.
Except it doesn't, and the resistance of the general population in Israel to accept African Jews is a big part of that. No, Jews can be quite wide array of people, some of whom do not really make their claims of Jewish lineage to be a major aspect of their lives.
And Germany had a Blood Citizenship law. Estonia actually has a similar kind of ethnic heritage policy where you can gain citizenship more easily, if I remember correctly. Ghana is trying to import Black Americans. Do you want me to act like there's something special about the fact that a country that birthed itself into existence with significant military support by radical, militant, Zionist Jews would instantiate an Jewish ethnic preference in it's immigration policy? Am I supposed to ignore the fact that the Right of Return policy has been hotly debated among Jews in American and Europe because in many cases it excluded them?
Which ones? This is your fundamental problem when you look at things from a collectivist, inter-temporal, abstraction. The group you want to identify as Ashkenazi are people who won't identify and European, individuals with Ashkenazi heritage in reality might not.
Ashkenazi are not a tribe, it's an ethnic group. There is no European tribe at all.
I'm sorry, but when you interbreed with Europeans for a thousand years, you are part of a European admixture. It's not my fault Jews of earlier millennia didn't understand genetics.
That's a ridiculous assertion. You can't just declare an entire demographic has a single attitude towards another demographic.
No. No one else go around calling themselves "gods chosen ones" meant to lead the "goyim" and that "goyim" is considered "beast" according to the Talmud
There was resistance to it because people doubted their lineage. But at the end of the day they still have the "right of return" that Europeans do not and Ashkenazi still identify with them more sooner than they identify with white European ,and they do not consider themselves white Europeans.
First Germany doesn't do it anymore, Second "Other countries do it too" does not debunk my point that the fact that the right of return law only applies to Ashkenazi Jews for being Jews, but does not apply to European, is the point, which is that they are different tribes.
Please speak proper English i have no idea what you are trying to say here. The only point i made is that Ashkenazi don't see themselves as European whites.
Well if you say that you are just showing your true colours now aren't you? And you ask why people mention the hatred against Europeans? There is a Jewish tribe but no European tribe? And i never said "Ashkenazi is a tribe" i said its a subset of the Jewish tribe.
Yes you can when you notice the reoccurring patterns and behaviors and how they talk about another demographic constantly .(And thanks for admitting they are different demographics)
1.) Yes. It's not my fault you don't know tribal history.
2.) Again, you're just making assertions based off of your own personal definitions of how the groups are defined.
3.) Germany stopped doing it as of the 2000's. My counter to your point is that your point isn't relevant, because it's not something unique to Jews. Your point doesn't make sense one way or another. Europe is not a tribe. Jews can recognize that Jews are also European. It is not either-or. Also, the Right of Return exists for many different types of Jews, not just Ashkenazi.
4.) You are using abstractions that you define, to speak on behave of masses of individuals. Y
5.) There is no European tribe because there has never been a European tribe. A tribe is a smaller and more homogeneous population category than a nation. There is no nation of Europeans because they are far too different. The continent of Europe is filled with utterly dissimilar people's who do not even have a common language. The unifying feature of Europeans, is that they live in Europe. Europe is comprised of many nations of peoples, many of whom have ancient grievances with one another. Those nations may be comprised of tribes, but they are more closely affiliated with class and clan. Are family clan's tribes? Maybe, but that seems like a stretch.
5-b.) So what of Jews? Jews are not a tribe. Hell, the Jews even cite that they comprise "the tribes of Israel". That is a recognition that even in their origin, they were not one tribe. They were multiple tribes, unified by a religion. You could call the Jews of that time period a nation, or proto-nation. "Jew" is an amalgamation of multiple tribes. Jews would be closer to a nation, than a tribe. However, Judaism is the unifying religion for Jews, and it has many different splits, divisions, and factions. The religion (particularly modern or reformist interpretations) supports a level of integration and assimilation that make it hard to even hold the "nation" title. Religions are not Nations. Nations are not Tribes. Tribes are not Clans. The Jewish struggle with Jewish identity might be one of the most exhaustively documented ideological conflicts that any people have ever had. But you keep treating them as if this is some homogeneous group that solved this question over 2,000 years ago. They didn't.
6.) You realize you can be part of more than one demographic, right? Actually, no, you probably don't given that you seem to be a racialist and you keep harping on the idea that Europeans and Jewry are purely separate and 'never the two shall meet'. This makes your comment about Ethiopian Jews seem especially disingenuous, given that you should be making the exact same argument that some Jews in Israel argue: "They're not Jews, they're Africans". Yet, you pointed out that Ethiopian Jews exist, but can't seem to tolerate the idea that European Jews also exist. You're taking up positions based on what you think might hurt your strawman's argument.
You're asserting these things out of nothing. First and foremost: every fucking tribe is the chosen tribe. Every native American Indian Tribe can simply be translated to "People" in that tribe's language. Nobody see's their tribe as "some other not significant grouping of people". The different historical identities of people exist both within and beyond Jews. Not only of Jews of separate Jewish tribes within Jewry, but also every single white European identifies with their ethnic groups. People with Jewish ancestry, like every ethnic admixture, can identify with both, or even ignore one entirely. This is why Jewish Germans were calling themselves "Germans of the Mosaic faith" at the turn of the century. Not to mention you've got this ridiculous idea that Jews hate Europeans, when they themselves are European Jews. Most European Jews, don't even separate their European lineage from their Jewish one, because it's all basically inter-twined. As you would expect from a population of people that has existed in every country in Europe at one time or another, including the countries that don't exist anymore, over the course of well over a thousand years.
You're just complaining about the right of return, which has it's own series of restrictions, and Israel's immigration policy is more than just that.