The only reason they’re doing lame shit like that is because of all the cucks joining the (herd) and calling loot crates gambling.

^This

https://berserk.fandom.com/wiki/Eclipse

The visual reference that you’ve probably seen before

Hah, cheers

The Duality of Man, huh? (check the next comment below to see what I mean - or don’t, if you seek to preserve your brain cells lol)

I think loot boxes, gacha games, those “capsule machines” you put money into which then dispense a random toy (which are actually the origin of the term “gacha”, #funfact), etc are all predatory to various extents. Not to mention the variation in their implementation in any given game being more or less predatory. That doesn’t mean they should be regulated as “gambling” however. Maybe we should pass regulations barring corporations from exploiting known and documented mental “loopholes” like FOMO and burying the odds of getting a prize under a mountain of boilerplate text hoping most won’t bother to see how bad a deal they’re actually getting. Or any number of these exploits built into our brains that these parasites have spent billions mapping out and figuring out how best to exploit. I’d be all for an honest attempt at that. But just saying “it’s gambling!” As if that’s an argument is not just weak but demonstrably a legally invalid argument.

Edit: for example, didn’t someone sue companies like Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo, etc for selling “points” in values designed to always make you have some leftover (but not enough to actually buy an item, thus ensuring you feel “tied” to the system and keep buying things through it)? I don’t think it was a government regulation, but it clearly led to all of these companies just getting rid of the abusive “points” systems and start just allowing people to directly purchase whatever they wanted in their local currency.

But, the games I play do so many free chances, and then you have to pay for more chances. So, my grandma could play it and not gamble, but my kids would absolutely be gambling when they played the exact same game.

Are we still talking about playing bingo with cash prizes? Where on earth can you play a game with cash prizes and not have to pay to enter?

If you’re talking about things without cash prizes, who cares? There are 10,000,001 ways to waste money, but we don’t regulate them as “gambling”

But, the point I want to make clear is I don't believe they give any fucks about the gambling. I think they're mad about the taxes being different for gambling.

I think you’re 100% spot on with that. It’s for exactly this reason that sports betting just got legalized nationwide, even in the face of the blatant, egregious downsides.

Bingo requires you to pay to play and whether or not you win the cash prize is entirely based on chance. There’s a reason casinos often have bingo halls built in.

I believe the answer to that is no money, not gambling.

Correct. Thus, neither loot boxes (no inherent cash value) nor trading cards (likewise) are gambling. They might be “predatory” in some ways. But that isn’t the discussion being had.

https://communities.win/c/KotakuInAction2/p/1ASFvb43Ds/its-almost-like-youre-not-allowe/c/4eaTsRwX7ag

Are you gambling when there is no money involved?

What about if you were charged $1 to play, and still no prizes were given out? Is that gambling?

If you answered “no” to both questions, congratulations, you’re caught up

“Casino chips are equivalent to Pokémon cards” isn’t anything other than some mongoloid coping and seething. Certainly nothing close to a refutation.

mfw I can’t refute an argument so I say “that’s ai!” as if I haven’t already shown myself to be mentally incapacitated

WRONG

trading cards aren’t considered gambling because:

1. there is a guaranteed payout (you bought “a pack of cards” and you got “a pack of cards”). The exact same scenario applies to loot boxes

2. alternative value/functional use (you can play Pokémon with your Pokémon cards as opposed to just reselling them). The exact same scenario applies to loot boxes/skins

3. no cash payouts. All “cash value” resides in the secondary market. Again, the EXACT SAME SCENARIO APPLIES TO LOOTBOXES.

Retard

WRONG

trading cards aren’t considered gambling because:

1. there is a guaranteed payout (you bought “a pack of cards” and you got “a pack of cards”). The exact same scenario applies to loot boxes

2. alternative value/functional use (you can play Pokémon with your Pokémon cards as opposed to just reselling them). The exact same scenario applies to loot boxes/skins

3. no cash payouts. All value resides in the secondary market. Again, the EXACT SAME SCENARIO APPLIES TO LOOTBOXES.

Retard

No inherent cash value, correct. Secondary resale markets aren’t considered “cash value”. Refer to the last hundred years of case law dipshit.

Roulette has cash prizes, are you seriously this far behind in the conversation?

What’s the crime again? Selling trading cards?

Lmfao

You want the government to ban baseball cards. You’re not a serious person. You deserve nothing but ridicule for your opinions.

Keep suckin that govt dong big guy

they’re skill based.

So is poker dipshit

for their own currency

Right…

which has actual monetary value.

Oof, close, but no cigar.

Unless you think it’s gambling to spend real money at an arcade that rewards you with tickets that can be turned in for prizes. But you probably do, since as we’ve established, you’re retarded.

Someone’s mad because they don’t have an actual argument.

It’s probably because the faggot im taking to can’t stop bringing up children and porn in this discussion about loot boxes, clearly indicating where his mind rests.

Write the mathematical difference between gacha or trading cards and roulette. I’ll wait.

YOU CANT WIN MONEY FROM GACHA OR TRADING CARDS YOU FUCKING DOLT

You want an equation? Here it is:

$0 prizes != gambling

so you support

Blow it out your ass, you disingenuous faggot

Right?!?

And I probably have another $200(and increasing) in unopened loot boxes to sell. Just from playing a game a little.

So you bring up two forms of gambling to convince me we should ban not-gambling?

And if you support digitalID to get on the internet you’re a fucking mongoloid who shouldn’t be here. Reddit is probably more your speed. Have you given the rothschilds your dicktip-scan so you can log back into discord yet?

I lucked out buying some M4 skin for $0.45 back when they first added skins. Sold it for $250 a decade later…

It’s a good system for a F2P game (though i bought it when it wasn’t, lol)

Ok so you want the government to ban baseball cards too.

Anything else you want the government to do? Wipe your ass maybe? Fuck your wife?

Yeah most video embeds have been broken site wide for atleast a year or so now. Twitter sometimes works