Yeah, and I suppose the character is ultimately somewhat meaningless without his role as anchor/mirror/foil to Batman…

Though with the first movie I almost thought they pulled off an “antihero for our societal collapse” / “a sick society will breed sick citizens” angle, if they absolutely had to “make their own ‘real’ movie and just call it Joker to get it made” (like the video reveals was a motivation of the director, I had never heard any of that). But you’re right lmao the musical numbers and the spirit cooking lady didn’t bode well for this one.