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posted 5 years ago by Voluntaryism 5 years ago by Voluntaryism +32 / -0
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– Voluntaryism [S] 7 points 5 years ago +7 / -0

The entire tobacco industry revolves around denying people exclusive control over their own bodies so that they will keep buying their highly addictive drug no matter how much damage it's doing to their health, property, and finances.

This claim cannot be made. To take tobacco or a cigarette or whatever is one's own choice, as an action. It is up to them whether they wish to make this action or not. It is not that you have a right to exclusively control your own body as such, but rather that nobody else can claim to have this right. Indeed, a drug addict is not in full control of himself while he is on 800 different drugs, all in lethal quantities, but nobody else is exercising such a right over him. There is nobody to punish.

Even if that was not true, converting the drug into an aerosol and spreading it around the room is still a violation of everyone else's right to not partake in their drug habit.

Everybody else retains the ability to leave the room. The absence of doing so amounts to agreement with the consequences of the smoker's actions. To understand why, consider the case of a man asleep in bed with his wife; he starts to make sexual advances, and his wife does not resist or express discontentment in any way. Can she now later say she was in fact raped? Of course not. The husband had no way of knowing if she liked this, especially if this was the first time he had made such advances with her.

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– Killroyomega 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

Your arguments are lame.

Tobacco is a poison and serves no beneficiary purpose.

Ban it so no one has to smell or deal with that disgusting filth.

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– evilmathmagician 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

Tobacco is a poison and serves no beneficiary purpose.

Is it not enough to know that even poison can be medicinal with careful application?

I was able to avoid needing cocaine or risking heart palpitations with energy drink overdosing by carefully combining nicotine and caffeine. It simulated sleep if I got the dose perfect, and soothed my nerves a bit otherwise. Not that I recommend this, of course - under normal circumstances, you should just sleep. Sometimes life doesn't work out that kindly.

Most cigarettes do smell like shit, though, I'll give you that.

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– Knife-TotingRat 3 points 5 years ago +3 / -0

American cigarettes are the worst. Except maybe Russian ones, but I've only heard stories about those.

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– evilmathmagician 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

I import mine. Clove cigarettes, great 20 minute painkiller, increased potency if you reduce oxygen intake. When my family visits and wants a smoke break, I tell them they have to smoke the good stuff.

I heard of russian cigarettes exactly once, years ago. Was told the smoke smelled like lucky charms. Regardless of the seemingly tall tale, I'd be excited to one from there. Hard enough to get a shipment from India; I wouldn't know how to get it from Russia.

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– Killroyomega 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

There is no legitimate medicinal use for tobacco products.

None.

That "soothing" feeling you get from tobacco is just the cravings from chemical addiction going away.

There are absolutely zero benefits to smoking or using tobacco. There is no situation where it is helpful. Anything you can think of can be done a thousand times better, safer, and less addictively with synthesized drugs.

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– evilmathmagician 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

Anything you can think of can be done a thousand times better, safer, and less addictively with synthesized drugs.

Sure, I'll agree. Synthetic drugs can get pretty wild.

That "soothing" feeling you get from tobacco is just the cravings from chemical addiction going away.

I disagree. You have a tremendously steep hill to climb here and your argument is founded on my ignorance. If I'm not as ignorant as you reckon, it doesn't hold up. I think I have a strong advantage by having more information about my own body, habits, and psychological inclination.

A nice shotgun theory, but you didn't catch me in the 99.9% there.

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