Yeah, more than once even. This guy's defense was "I didn't think she was really 13, she looked older in the picture and when she opened the door, I would have totally walked away if I thought she wasn't kidding". What the fuck.
There are women who like to roleplay as being very young. It's extremely strange. I used to know one. She went full feminist and shaved her head - so you know these people are fucked in the head.
Having said that, assume the age is real unless confirmed otherwise, or you're a fucking moron.
TL;DR NYT writes a long, heartbreaking essay about multiple good guys who really didn't do anything and they still went to jail! Like the first guy - he just chatted up a 13 year old on Craigslist, made arrangements to meet her, stopped on his way to get condoms - but the girl turned out to be a cop, so that means there's no victim, and he was jailed for a victimless crime. Kinda like attempted murder is a victimless crime because nobody actually died, or something. I'm sure there's some logic in this, and I'm also sure the author, Michael Winerip, has never raped any children himself.
Like the first guy - he just chatted up a 13 year old on Craigslist, made arrangements to meet her, stopped on his way to get condoms - but the girl turned out to be a cop, so that means there's no victim, and he was jailed for a victimless crime.
Wait, there are seriously idiots who buy into the internet honeytraps?
There is a difference though. With your attempted murder example there is a real intended victim. With the fake 13 year old there is a fake intended victim. I know to most people the difference is irrelevant, but from a legal standpoint it can be huge.
(not intended to defend them, but a balanced viewpoint with more thought than a lynch mob)
I think even from a legal standpoint its irrelevant because sting operations are common across the board. From car jackers, to prostitutes, to drug dealers.
But it does raise an important point. Maybe this writer just hates cops so much he'd defend pedos first.
Globohomo's chomopomo prophets openly talk about their love of pedos. The Tavistock Clinic is doing mass medical tranny experimentation on children, and Dr Kentler gave pedos foster kids in Germany.
Like communists and homosexuals in the 1950s, boylovers are so stigmatized that it is difficult to find defenders for their civil liberties, let alone for their erotic orientation.
-Gayle Rubin, Thinking Sex
These days, especially in America, boy-love is not only scandalous and criminal, but somehow in bad taste. On the evening news, one sees handcuffed teachers, priests and Boy Scout leaders hustled into police vans. Therapists call them maladjusted, emotionally immature. But beauty has its own laws, inconsistent with Christian morality. As a woman, I feel free to protest that men today are pilloried for something that was rational and honorable in Greece at the height of its civilization.
-Camille Paglia, Sexual Personae
This notion of consent is a trap, in any case. What is sure is that the legal form of an intersexual consent is nonsense. No one signs a contract before making love... When we say that children are 'consenting' in these cases, all we intend to say is this: in any case, there was no violence, or organized manipulation in order to wrench out of them affective or erotic relations.
-Guy Hocquenghem, Sexual Morality and the Law
It is not necessary to figure parent-child incest as a unilateral impingement on the child by the parent, since whatever impingement takes place will also be registered within the sphere of fantasy. In fact, to understand the violation that incest can be and also to distinguish between those occasions of incest that are violation and those that are not it is unnecessary to figure the body of the child exclusively as a surface imposed upon from the outside... The reification of the child’s body as passive surface would thus constitute, at a theoretical level, a further deprivation of the child: the deprivation of psychic life.
-Judith Butler, Undoing Gender
But, after all, listening to a child, hearing him speak, hearing him explain what his relations actually were with someone, adult or not, provided one listens with enough sympathy, must allow one to establish more or less what degree of violence if any was used or what degree of consent was given. And to assume that a child is incapable of explaining what happened and was incapable of giving his consent are two abuses that are intolerable, quite unacceptable.
-Michel Foucault, The Danger of Child Sexuality
tl;dr Not fucking children is somehow child abuse.
You should combine that pasta with this one, it's missing Hocquenghem but it has a couple extra:
Simone de Beauvoir, lesbian feminist superhero second to none, of "every woman is homosexual by nature" fame, was one of the signers of the 1977 petition against age of consent laws demanding "recognition of the right of children and adolescents to maintain relationships with persons of their choice". It was in reaction to three men being taken to trial for grooming boys and girls under 15 years of age, but allegedly "without violence"
Michel Foucault, practically the Pope for LGBT dogma, also advocated for eliminating the age of consent laws and called restricting kids from having sex with adults as "an abuse"
"[assuming] that a child is incapable of explaining what happened and was incapable of giving his consent are two abuses that are intolerable, quite unacceptable”
Harvey Milk, the first openly gay elected official in California, of Oscar winning biopic about his life, and has a Navy ship named after him. Milk took advantage of his work with at-risk youth to groom at least one 16yo runaway Jack Galen McKinley who had substance abuse problems and lived on the streets of NYC (where the age of consent was 17). Jack would end up comitting suicide years later.
Gayle Rubin, "queer intellectual" author of Thinking Sex, widely regarded as a founding text of Gay/Lesbian studies and Queer Theory. Defends "boy lovers" and their "erotic orientation". In her own words:
Like communists and homosexuals of the 1950's, boy-lovers are so stigmatized that it is difficult to find defenders of their civil liberties, let alone their erotic orientation. Consequently, the police have feasted on them. Local police, the FBI, and watchdogpostal inspectors have joined to build a huge apparatus whose sole aim is to wipe out the community of men who love underaged youth. In twenty years or so, when some of the smoke has cleared, it will be much easier to show that these men have been the victims of a savage and undeserved witchhunt. A lot of people will be embarrassed by their collaboration with this persecution, but it will betoo late to do much good for those men who have spent their lives in prison.
Judith Butler, arguably the most influential "gender theorist", wrote about "non-traumatic incest" that becomes traumatic due to the socially constructed stigma associated with it. She sees incest taboo as working towards heteronormativity and asks that prohibition on incest be rethought to prevent the "violation" that is heteronormativity.
John Money, early luminary of modern "sexology" and the study of gender identity, advocated for "gender affirming" genital mutilation back in the 60s, truly a trailblazer. You might be familiar with his work in regards to the case of the botched circumcition and subsequent Mengele-style sexual corruption of David Reimer. This were his views on boys having sex with adults:
If I were to see the case of a boy aged ten or eleven who's intensely erotically attracted toward a man in his twenties or thirties, if the relationship is totally mutual, and the bonding is genuinely totally mutual ... then I would not call it pathological in any way
Magnus Hirschfeld founder in 1897 of an institute deemed "the first advocacy for homosexual and transgender rights", considered homosexual "ephebophiles" as something common and nonpathological
Henry "Harry" Hay, pioneer in US Gay rights, founder of the first sustained gay rights group in the US. Supported NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association) and marched in the pride parade with a "NAMBLA walks with me" shirt
David Thorstad another pioneer in US Gay activism, in the 1970s was president of both the Gay Activists Alliance, and Coalition for Lesbian and Gay Rights in NYC. He founded the North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA). He compared being a pederast in the US with being "a Jew in Nazi Germany". In his own words:
Pederasty is probably historically the most common form of homosexuality in Western culture, as well as many other cultures
Pat Califia, renowned trans essayist on LGBT matter:
"any child old enough to decide whether or not she or he wants to eat spinach, play with trucks or wear shoes is old enough to decide whether or not she or he wants to run around naked in the sun, masturbate sit in somebody's lap or engage in sexual activity."
The Tavistock Clinic is doing mass medical tranny experimentation on children. In Germany, Dr Kentler gave foster kids to pedos, and green movement founder Daniel Cohn-Bendit bragged about a child sex daycare. Globohomo's chomopomo prophets openly talk about their love of pedos:
These days, especially in America, boy-love is not only scandalous and criminal, but somehow in bad taste. On the evening news, one sees handcuffed teachers, priests and Boy Scout leaders hustled into police vans. Therapists call them maladjusted, emotionally immature. But beauty has its own laws, inconsistent with Christian morality. As a woman, I feel free to protest that men today are pilloried for something that was rational and honorable in Greece at the height of its civilization.
-Camille Paglia, Sexual Personae
any child old enough to decide whether or not she or he wants to eat spinach, play with trucks or wear shoes is old enough to decide whether or not she or he wants to run around naked in the sun, masturbate sit in somebody's lap or engage in sexual activity.
-Pat Califia, cited in Sexual Investigations by Soble
This notion of consent is a trap, in any case. What is sure is that the legal form of an intersexual consent is nonsense. No one signs a contract before making love... When we say that children are 'consenting' in these cases, all we intend to say is this: in any case, there was no violence, or organized manipulation in order to wrench out of them affective or erotic relations.
-Guy Hocquenghem, Sexual Morality and the Law, signer of the 1977 petition against age of consent laws
Like communists and homosexuals in the 1950s, boylovers are so stigmatized that it is difficult to find defenders for their civil liberties, let alone for their erotic orientation.
-Gayle Rubin, Thinking Sex, widely regarded as a founding text of Gay/Lesbian studies and Queer Theory
But pederasty is probably historically the most common form of homosexuality in Western culture, as well as many other cultures. It exists in all cultures, and in some is considered the norm, even today (e.g., Iran, among the Pashtuns). To label it 'child abuse' or 'child molestation' is preposterous and stupid.
-David Thorstad, rage email, president of both the Gay Activists Alliance and Coalition for Lesbian and Gay Rights in NYC in the 1970s, founder of the North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA), compared being a pederast in the US with being "a Jew in Nazi Germany"
It is not necessary to figure parent-child incest as a unilateral impingement on the child by the parent, since whatever impingement takes place will also be registered within the sphere of fantasy. In fact, to understand the violation that incest can be and also to distinguish between those occasions of incest that are violation and those that are not it is unnecessary to figure the body of the child exclusively as a surface imposed upon from the outside... The reification of the child’s body as passive surface would thus constitute, at a theoretical level, a further deprivation of the child: the deprivation of psychic life.
-Judith Butler, Undoing Gender, most influential living gender theorist. She sees incest taboo as working towards heteronormativity and asks that prohibition on incest be rethought to prevent the "violation" that is heteronormativity.
If I were to see the case of a boy aged ten or eleven who's intensely erotically attracted toward a man in his twenties or thirties, if the relationship is totally mutual, and the bonding is genuinely totally mutual ... then I would not call it pathological in any way.
-John Money, Paidika: The Journal of Paedophilia, psychologist who forced a boy to be a girl and get humped by his twin brother after a botched circumcision. Both of the Reimer brothers committed suicide.
But, after all, listening to a child, hearing him speak, hearing him explain what his relations actually were with someone, adult or not, provided one listens with enough sympathy, must allow one to establish more or less what degree of violence if any was used or what degree of consent was given. And to assume that a child is incapable of explaining what happened and was incapable of giving his consent are two abuses that are intolerable, quite unacceptable.
-Michel Foucault, The Danger of Child Sexuality, Pope of Chomopomo, most cited academic in grievance studies, signer of the 1977 petition against age of consent laws
Other notable globohomo clergy:
Henry "Harry" Hay, pioneer in US Gay rights, founder of the first sustained gay rights group in the US. Supported NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association) and marched in the pride parade with a "NAMBLA walks with me" shirt.
Magnus Hirschfeld founder in 1897 of an institute deemed "the first advocacy for homosexual and transgender rights", considered homosexual "ephebophiles" as something common and nonpathological.
Simone de Beauvoir, lesbian feminist superhero second to none, of "every woman is homosexual by nature" fame, was one of the signers of the 1977 petition against age of consent laws demanding "recognition of the right of children and adolescents to maintain relationships with persons of their choice". It was in reaction to three men being taken to trial for grooming boys and girls under 15 years of age, but allegedly "without violence".
Harvey Milk, the first openly gay elected official in California, of Oscar winning biopic about his life, and has a Navy ship named after him. Milk took advantage of his work with at-risk youth to groom at least one 16yo runaway Jack Galen McKinley who had substance abuse problems and lived on the streets of NYC (where the age of consent was 17). Jack would end up comitting suicide years later.
tl;dr Not fucking children is somehow child abuse.
I could only find an allegation of it on a forum, so it's not going in for the moment. The Thorstad quote is from him raging in email, which is fucking hysterical.
No sympathy, and I usually defend men.
She said she was 13, you dipfuck.
Yeah, more than once even. This guy's defense was "I didn't think she was really 13, she looked older in the picture and when she opened the door, I would have totally walked away if I thought she wasn't kidding". What the fuck.
I think his defense is that he believed it was some sort of roleplay. But in that case, wouldn't he ask explicitly before meeting?
And you're believing all the bullshit they added to the story to make him seem more innocent, like the 'roleplay' bullshit.
I'm just stating what I think their argument is.
There are women who like to roleplay as being very young. It's extremely strange. I used to know one. She went full feminist and shaved her head - so you know these people are fucked in the head.
Having said that, assume the age is real unless confirmed otherwise, or you're a fucking moron.
And "she" was lying. IDK, this is just bullshit.
noob?
He hasn't passed through even his first Steam sale by the looks of it.
Pfft... He didnt sail in the high seas either
TL;DR NYT writes a long, heartbreaking essay about multiple good guys who really didn't do anything and they still went to jail! Like the first guy - he just chatted up a 13 year old on Craigslist, made arrangements to meet her, stopped on his way to get condoms - but the girl turned out to be a cop, so that means there's no victim, and he was jailed for a victimless crime. Kinda like attempted murder is a victimless crime because nobody actually died, or something. I'm sure there's some logic in this, and I'm also sure the author, Michael Winerip, has never raped any children himself.
Wait, there are seriously idiots who buy into the internet honeytraps?
Holy crap.
There is a difference though. With your attempted murder example there is a real intended victim. With the fake 13 year old there is a fake intended victim. I know to most people the difference is irrelevant, but from a legal standpoint it can be huge.
(not intended to defend them, but a balanced viewpoint with more thought than a lynch mob)
I think even from a legal standpoint its irrelevant because sting operations are common across the board. From car jackers, to prostitutes, to drug dealers.
But it does raise an important point. Maybe this writer just hates cops so much he'd defend pedos first.
Globohomo's chomopomo prophets openly talk about their love of pedos. The Tavistock Clinic is doing mass medical tranny experimentation on children, and Dr Kentler gave pedos foster kids in Germany.
-Gayle Rubin, Thinking Sex
-Camille Paglia, Sexual Personae
-Guy Hocquenghem, Sexual Morality and the Law
-Judith Butler, Undoing Gender
-Michel Foucault, The Danger of Child Sexuality
tl;dr Not fucking children is somehow child abuse.
You should combine that pasta with this one, it's missing Hocquenghem but it has a couple extra:
Simone de Beauvoir, lesbian feminist superhero second to none, of "every woman is homosexual by nature" fame, was one of the signers of the 1977 petition against age of consent laws demanding "recognition of the right of children and adolescents to maintain relationships with persons of their choice". It was in reaction to three men being taken to trial for grooming boys and girls under 15 years of age, but allegedly "without violence"
Michel Foucault, practically the Pope for LGBT dogma, also advocated for eliminating the age of consent laws and called restricting kids from having sex with adults as "an abuse"
"[assuming] that a child is incapable of explaining what happened and was incapable of giving his consent are two abuses that are intolerable, quite unacceptable”
Harvey Milk, the first openly gay elected official in California, of Oscar winning biopic about his life, and has a Navy ship named after him. Milk took advantage of his work with at-risk youth to groom at least one 16yo runaway Jack Galen McKinley who had substance abuse problems and lived on the streets of NYC (where the age of consent was 17). Jack would end up comitting suicide years later.
Gayle Rubin, "queer intellectual" author of Thinking Sex, widely regarded as a founding text of Gay/Lesbian studies and Queer Theory. Defends "boy lovers" and their "erotic orientation". In her own words:
Judith Butler, arguably the most influential "gender theorist", wrote about "non-traumatic incest" that becomes traumatic due to the socially constructed stigma associated with it. She sees incest taboo as working towards heteronormativity and asks that prohibition on incest be rethought to prevent the "violation" that is heteronormativity.
John Money, early luminary of modern "sexology" and the study of gender identity, advocated for "gender affirming" genital mutilation back in the 60s, truly a trailblazer. You might be familiar with his work in regards to the case of the botched circumcition and subsequent Mengele-style sexual corruption of David Reimer. This were his views on boys having sex with adults:
Magnus Hirschfeld founder in 1897 of an institute deemed "the first advocacy for homosexual and transgender rights", considered homosexual "ephebophiles" as something common and nonpathological
Henry "Harry" Hay, pioneer in US Gay rights, founder of the first sustained gay rights group in the US. Supported NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association) and marched in the pride parade with a "NAMBLA walks with me" shirt
David Thorstad another pioneer in US Gay activism, in the 1970s was president of both the Gay Activists Alliance, and Coalition for Lesbian and Gay Rights in NYC. He founded the North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA). He compared being a pederast in the US with being "a Jew in Nazi Germany". In his own words:
Pat Califia, renowned trans essayist on LGBT matter:
Also, here's another article on pedophilia among progressives in West Germany: https://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/the-sexual-revolution-and-children-how-the-left-took-things-too-far-a-702679.html - one of the people named in it, Daniel Cohn-Bendit, was for a long time a highly influential Green politician in the EU, practically one of the founders of the green "movement". He bragged about all of that in a book he wrote; nothing ever happened to him.
The Tavistock Clinic is doing mass medical tranny experimentation on children. In Germany, Dr Kentler gave foster kids to pedos, and green movement founder Daniel Cohn-Bendit bragged about a child sex daycare. Globohomo's chomopomo prophets openly talk about their love of pedos:
-Camille Paglia, Sexual Personae
-Pat Califia, cited in Sexual Investigations by Soble
-Guy Hocquenghem, Sexual Morality and the Law, signer of the 1977 petition against age of consent laws
-Gayle Rubin, Thinking Sex, widely regarded as a founding text of Gay/Lesbian studies and Queer Theory
-David Thorstad, rage email, president of both the Gay Activists Alliance and Coalition for Lesbian and Gay Rights in NYC in the 1970s, founder of the North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA), compared being a pederast in the US with being "a Jew in Nazi Germany"
-Judith Butler, Undoing Gender, most influential living gender theorist. She sees incest taboo as working towards heteronormativity and asks that prohibition on incest be rethought to prevent the "violation" that is heteronormativity.
-John Money, Paidika: The Journal of Paedophilia, psychologist who forced a boy to be a girl and get humped by his twin brother after a botched circumcision. Both of the Reimer brothers committed suicide.
-Michel Foucault, The Danger of Child Sexuality, Pope of Chomopomo, most cited academic in grievance studies, signer of the 1977 petition against age of consent laws
Other notable globohomo clergy:
Henry "Harry" Hay, pioneer in US Gay rights, founder of the first sustained gay rights group in the US. Supported NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association) and marched in the pride parade with a "NAMBLA walks with me" shirt.
Magnus Hirschfeld founder in 1897 of an institute deemed "the first advocacy for homosexual and transgender rights", considered homosexual "ephebophiles" as something common and nonpathological.
Simone de Beauvoir, lesbian feminist superhero second to none, of "every woman is homosexual by nature" fame, was one of the signers of the 1977 petition against age of consent laws demanding "recognition of the right of children and adolescents to maintain relationships with persons of their choice". It was in reaction to three men being taken to trial for grooming boys and girls under 15 years of age, but allegedly "without violence".
Harvey Milk, the first openly gay elected official in California, of Oscar winning biopic about his life, and has a Navy ship named after him. Milk took advantage of his work with at-risk youth to groom at least one 16yo runaway Jack Galen McKinley who had substance abuse problems and lived on the streets of NYC (where the age of consent was 17). Jack would end up comitting suicide years later.
tl;dr Not fucking children is somehow child abuse.
I need to get some more links and sourcing in there. Feel free to contribute more or steal the pasta.
Got a source for that califia quote?
Quoted here:
https://books.google.ie/books?id=0ec18ArqjpcC&lpg=PP3&pg=PA32#v=onepage&q&f=false
The biblio/refs for that chapter don't seem to be available on google. Don't see the book on libgen either.
Thanks, I can use that
Sorry, I just had that saved on reddit, and the account that posted it originally is gone now.
I could only find an allegation of it on a forum, so it's not going in for the moment. The Thorstad quote is from him raging in email, which is fucking hysterical.
The Left is really pushing hard in trying to normalize pedo shit since this whole Epstein thing blew up.
>2020
>falling for the obvious glowpost
You can see part of the problem right there in the first pic with Mom.
Meh, they didn't actually fuck anybody. But I don't want to side with the NYT.