As everyone has heard by now, an F-15E was shot down last week in Iran. The E model is a two-seater, and both crewmembers ejected. The US immediately launched a massive recovery operation. One of the supporting A-10s was subsequently shot down and had to ditch in the Persian Gulf. One (or two) C-130s broke down at an improvised landing strip in Iran and had to be destroyed. We may find out about other losses as well.
The first lost crewmember was rescued in about a day and the other was just rescued last night after a prolonged firefight with Iranian IRGC, paramilitary forces, and civilians looking for a bounty. Here are some points:
- Prima facie, the shootdown proves that Iranian air defense is not totally dead yet, contra Trump's ill-timed claim last week. The current thinking is that they have abandoned whatever radar-guided SAMs they have left and are exclusively using heat-seeking SAMs.
- At the same time, the American response proves that Iranian air defense is spotty at best. In the recovery operation, American helicopters and C-130s, which are far more vulnerable to SAMs, were flying low over the crash area constantly in broad daylight.
- There is also a threat from Iranian MANPADs (shoulder-fired SAMs). Those would have shot down the helicopters, so it seems that the Iranians are being very choosy as to where they deploy their resources.
- American special forces landed in Iranian territory, got to the pilots first, and fought off a huge force of IRGC and paramilitaries to successfully accomplish their mission. America still has the edge in a ground engagement, especially at night.
- A decent number of civilians in the area were apparently motivated to capture the pilot, and the claim is that the Iranian government had to lie to them that the pilot was captured elsewhere in order to calm the crowd. This detracts from the claim that the Iranian people are itching to overthrow the regime. I am not sure exactly what ethnicity lives in that area.
- The first shootdowns of American aircraft are noteworthy, but they are not exactly out of the norm. Even when the US steamrolled Iraq in Desert Storm 1991, about 30-40+ aircraft and helicopters were lost to enemy fire.
- At the same time, the shootdowns prove that Iran is resilient and not ready to roll over. They have survived the shock and awe and are adjusting their tactics.
So in summary, we the goyim are still really good at waging war, but Iran continues to survive and make the war costly. This is still looking like a possible spreadsheet defeat for the US as we continue to rack up expensive losses of equipment and ammunition.
At the same time, Iran is a civilized country that depends on complex infrastructure, and they won't be able to defend or absorb the powerplant and oil strikes that Trump is threatening. They will, however, be able to bring down a lot of the Gulf with them.
You're like a online Karen, the tone policing, the 'why aren't you taking EVERYTHING seriously', the 'how dare you joke about this!' attitude, also noticed you went for me not the guy before making a similar reference.
So either take the stick out of your ass or are you going to ask for my manager next?
I'm the karen? You're the one constantly bitching about how people are joining your bibeo game gated community and saying things you don't agree with. Pot calling the kettle black much?
The fuck are you on about? I don't mind anyone disagreeing with me, I've had unpopular takes and sometimes I'm wrong but I detest tone policing.
That is the one thing every gamer has endured first by journalists then by the people controlling the comms. From the 'you shouldn't swear so much, kids could be playing this 18 rated game' to now them banning your account because you have a cheeky username. So fuck off with this 'bibeo game gated community' bullshit. What is that? Because I enjoy anime or because I was around when GG actually started as either way you can fuck off if you insist we scrape any cultural references we want to make relating events in the world to media we enjoyed because it makes it just that little less depressing.
Do you want me to link the parts where you were bitching like some karen? Because it's hilarious you're playing the victim now since you acted exactly how you're accusing others of now doing.
Edit: Actually my bad dude, I had you confused with that mongoose loser. I just looked and you never did that. Misdirected vitriol towards you.
Wow, you're a loser. Gatekeeping keeps gates strong. Don't like the gate? Find a new place to hide out.