This is why I don't really get into the whole catholic/orthodox/protestant debates. Its like when people complain about how gay the UK gov is while the USA is just as zogged. These power structures are so fucked, judeo values are heavily represented and promoted within every church. There are however good individuals and congregations within these groups as well. I've met based catholics, based prots, and based orthobros. Their outnumbered in each case however.