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Interesting Christopher Caldwell quote on the Venezuela coup
posted 180 days ago by AntonioOfVenice 180 days ago by AntonioOfVenice +30 / -0

Empires seem to deploy their powers to the maximum, desisting only when they no longer have the wherewithal. We may soon be reminded that it was American decline that put Mr. Trump in a position to set American foreign policy in the first place.

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– dagthegnome 11 points 180 days ago +11 / -0

As I said in another thread, if these brief military excursions by Trump are weakening the United States as much as leftists and so-called rightwing pundits are insisting they have, then I will wait patiently to see what the international community is going to do about it.

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– Kienan 4 points 180 days ago +4 / -0

Yeah. As someone who hates this move, among others, even I don't see it as weakness. I personally find it scummy, evil, and not our business or in our interests...but it's not weak. It was very technically impressive (even if we likely had a bunch of help from Venezuelan traitors; I believe Maduro was almost certainly handed over), and does probably strengthen America's position. It was quite the coup, pun intended.

Sadly, even if I supported such expansionist actions, I don't think the benefits will trickle down to Americans, so it's still not America First. But it's not weak, either.

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– dagthegnome 1 point 180 days ago +1 / -0

The misconception here is that the US action in Venezuela was simply a manifestation of American expansionism and not a response to expansionism by America's enemies. Venezuela was not just a self-contained hermit kingdom destroying itself with communism and not bothering anyone else. It was a CCP client state in America's backyard, being used as a base from which to coordinate Chinese interference in the US itself. Everything Trump does internationally is about curtailing Chinese interests. Yes, he did then decide that Venezuela's oil is his now, which is kinda shitty, but even that might end up enriching Venezuelans, considering how badly they were managing that resource before.

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– Kienan 4 points 180 days ago +4 / -0

even that might end up enriching Venezuelans

Highly doubt. Paul Singer owns Venezuela now. Even if quality of life for Venezuelans go up, I said from the beginning - before the coup - that they will have lost their country.

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– dagthegnome 1 point 179 days ago +1 / -0

My argument is that they already had lost their country. Whether their government is being run by a Chinese cartel or a cartel made up of American billionaires, it's not theirs. They voted Maduro out and he simply nullified the election and announced he was staying, all the while continuing to sell his country's resources to the CCP in exchange for also indebting his country to the CCP.

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