Show the results. For every dollar you TAKE from me, what, exactly are we getting back? Where possible please show me audits and the work of motivated regulators.
Finally prove competition and the private sector cannot or would not solve any of these problems given the chance.
This should be easy. The government should already be doing all of this work. The necessary reports and data should be all online. The legislative debate that led to these programs should also be easy to find and understand for context.
Sorry for the extremity of rhetoric but this should be table stakes for how our government works and it clearly isn't. So.. guess what you end up with.. fraud.
When the government takes $1t from you and spends $2t on healthcare, not much of that is fraud, though there will be some, but you specifically aren't getting equal value to what you pay in taxes. That's the whole point of ALL social programs. Someone is paying more than what someone else is receiving.
The private sector would be better. All social programs should be abolished. Taxes should be as low as possible. But that doesn't mean the spending is fraud.
Qualify that with data. What do I get from "healthcare" provided to others? Seriously. What incentive is there for them to not overuse the system? Seriously.
Fraud exists on every level of the system. You sort have have to multiply through your expectations. Which are, sick people get the help they need, not diabetics and immigrants abusing the ER, doctors abusing the state, and the state abusing the taxpayer.
But that doesn't mean the spending is fraud.
Of course not. There are secondary indicators, which everyone is reasonably interpreting as meaning there is overwhelming fraud. If you see your coworker stealing do you report it or do you join in? What do you think a room of random people would do? Multiply this by the size of the federal workforce which is 3 million people, and of course, growing.
Think of what insurance companies know and do about fraud. They still eat $300b a year in loses just in the US on fraud.
I mean, it's possible you're not incorrect, but you'd have to be ignorant of reality to think that's the pole to dance around right now.
The private sector would be better. All social programs should be abolished. Taxes should be as low as possible. But that doesn't mean the spending is fraud.
And you should be hanged. If you're going to call for my death then I'll call for yours
I don't have to prove it to you. You already know it. I have no idea how I would prove it to somebody who could be shown the daycares or USAID or a dozen other stories and still argue with the idea that there is massive, systemic fraud everywhere in the US.
I just have a problem with suggesting there's $1.5t in fraud and all we have to do is get rid of the fraud then we can abolish taxes. This is mathematically incorrect and fairly naive.
There is fraud but it's not $1.5t worth. To abolish taxes, we'd need to get rid of government spending that wasn't fraud.
Okay, so prove it to me.
From my perspective, I think social programs are a waste of money but I don't think they're all fraud.
You have the logic backwards.
Prove they work.
Show the results. For every dollar you TAKE from me, what, exactly are we getting back? Where possible please show me audits and the work of motivated regulators.
Finally prove competition and the private sector cannot or would not solve any of these problems given the chance.
This should be easy. The government should already be doing all of this work. The necessary reports and data should be all online. The legislative debate that led to these programs should also be easy to find and understand for context.
Sorry for the extremity of rhetoric but this should be table stakes for how our government works and it clearly isn't. So.. guess what you end up with.. fraud.
When the government takes $1t from you and spends $2t on healthcare, not much of that is fraud, though there will be some, but you specifically aren't getting equal value to what you pay in taxes. That's the whole point of ALL social programs. Someone is paying more than what someone else is receiving.
The private sector would be better. All social programs should be abolished. Taxes should be as low as possible. But that doesn't mean the spending is fraud.
Qualify that with data. What do I get from "healthcare" provided to others? Seriously. What incentive is there for them to not overuse the system? Seriously.
Fraud exists on every level of the system. You sort have have to multiply through your expectations. Which are, sick people get the help they need, not diabetics and immigrants abusing the ER, doctors abusing the state, and the state abusing the taxpayer.
Of course not. There are secondary indicators, which everyone is reasonably interpreting as meaning there is overwhelming fraud. If you see your coworker stealing do you report it or do you join in? What do you think a room of random people would do? Multiply this by the size of the federal workforce which is 3 million people, and of course, growing.
Think of what insurance companies know and do about fraud. They still eat $300b a year in loses just in the US on fraud.
I mean, it's possible you're not incorrect, but you'd have to be ignorant of reality to think that's the pole to dance around right now.
And you should be hanged. If you're going to call for my death then I'll call for yours
You rely on social programs to survive? You're a theif then and criminals like you should be hanged.
I don't have to prove it to you. You already know it. I have no idea how I would prove it to somebody who could be shown the daycares or USAID or a dozen other stories and still argue with the idea that there is massive, systemic fraud everywhere in the US.
I just have a problem with suggesting there's $1.5t in fraud and all we have to do is get rid of the fraud then we can abolish taxes. This is mathematically incorrect and fairly naive.
There is fraud but it's not $1.5t worth. To abolish taxes, we'd need to get rid of government spending that wasn't fraud.