Reasonable discussion about what? There's no discussion to be had, the concept of "saving marriage" is just a flowery way of saying deny personal choice, force state-backed outcome.
Yes, but what if it were women's choices we were denying instead of men's? Would that change anything for you? Rhetorical question of course because anything that ends up with men and women pairing up and creating offspring is an abhorrent outcome in your eyes.
Reasonable discussion about what? There's no discussion to be had, the concept of "saving marriage" is just a flowery way of saying deny personal choice, force state-backed outcome.
Yes, but what if it were women's choices we were denying instead of men's? Would that change anything for you? Rhetorical question of course because anything that ends up with men and women pairing up and creating offspring is an abhorrent outcome in your eyes.