There was a stab at exaining what the YouTube video is attempting to explain in a book by a very good modern philosopher called "After Virtue: A Study in Moral Theory" by Alasdair MacIntyre written back in 1981.
At the end of the day, the best way I can summarize is that people's fundamental understanding of what is good and what isn't differ, thus when people try to discuss why they are hurt by something bad to another but that other person doesn't fundamentally believe any of what is happening is bad because of different fundamental moral beliefs, they can't hear.
If I tell you: "omg, it's terrible that I'm being discriminated against for being White and it's not fair that I'm oppressed" but in your mind it is impossible for White people and especially men to be discriminated against or to be oppressed then what I just told you doesn't make sense to you. You can't understand it. What do you mean you're discriminated against? You can't discriminate against Whites. What do you mean White men are oppressed? The oppressors can't be oppressed.
The real reason discourse is breaking down though is one-side isn't being entirely honest with the other. My mother doesn't want to tell me she doesn't think White men can be discriminated against or oppressed and she especially doesn't want to tell me she thinks that's a good thing. She wants White men to be discriminated against and oppressed because she feels they deserve it because of the discrimination and oppression White men did to women and non-Whites but she won't openly say this so it sounds like we aren't understanding each other. It sounds like the boomers are out of touch.
The boomers aren't out of touch. They just hate you because their fundamental moral values have taught them that you are the bad guys. Now, we're coming up with ways to explain why boomers aren't understanding because it seems like they aren't but the boomers get it, they just don't want to reveal the fact they think you're a bad person. There's a clash on fundamental morality.
Another problem is what we're discussing is highly complex. That philosophy book I recommended is written such that if your IQ isn't over 120 you won't understand anything you read. These concepts are not for the average person. Most boomers aren't that smart (just like most people) so the average boomer doesn't really understand much of what we're discussing. I sure as hell know my mom doesn't, she's a bit of a bimbo. These average boomers were taught something, their kids learned something else from experience and the concept of what either learned is too complex for average people to properly discuss between one another so it leads to both sides thinking the other is out of touch. What I'm saying is we've entered a realm of communication that unless you're smart, you won't understand how to communicate now or you'll purposely be deceitful because you see who you're communicating with as your enemy.
There was a stab at exaining what the YouTube video is attempting to explain in a book by a very good modern philosopher called "After Virtue: A Study in Moral Theory" by Alasdair MacIntyre written back in 1981.
you won't understand how to communicate now or you'll purposely be deceitful because you see who you're communicating with as your enemy.
Macintyre (Auron) in the Total state also references that philosopher but uses the Lions and Foxes metaphor.
The boomers aren't out of touch. They just hate you because their fundamental moral values have taught them that you are the bad guys. Now, we're coming up with ways to explain why boomers aren't understanding because it seems like they aren't but the boomers get it, they just don't want to reveal the fact they think you're a bad person. There's a clash on fundamental morality.
Using your Mum as an example, it sounds like she just doesn't understand what's happening, but since she's secure in her reality, it might as well be on the TV or in a book, not happening to her own Son.
Remember boomers are the first generation to be completely propagandised. And unlike us, they got the carrot and wealth to go with it. We aren't getting the houses and families so naturally the propaganda falls short. But for them, they got the propaganda and the rewards that it promised.
Yes, definitely. Everything they were told worked out for them so they don't question it. When I say it doesn't work for me, they insist it must be a deficiency in the me rather than the system which worked for them. Their understanding of things beyond this is limited.
I'm the OP.
There was a stab at exaining what the YouTube video is attempting to explain in a book by a very good modern philosopher called "After Virtue: A Study in Moral Theory" by Alasdair MacIntyre written back in 1981.
At the end of the day, the best way I can summarize is that people's fundamental understanding of what is good and what isn't differ, thus when people try to discuss why they are hurt by something bad to another but that other person doesn't fundamentally believe any of what is happening is bad because of different fundamental moral beliefs, they can't hear.
If I tell you: "omg, it's terrible that I'm being discriminated against for being White and it's not fair that I'm oppressed" but in your mind it is impossible for White people and especially men to be discriminated against or to be oppressed then what I just told you doesn't make sense to you. You can't understand it. What do you mean you're discriminated against? You can't discriminate against Whites. What do you mean White men are oppressed? The oppressors can't be oppressed.
The real reason discourse is breaking down though is one-side isn't being entirely honest with the other. My mother doesn't want to tell me she doesn't think White men can be discriminated against or oppressed and she especially doesn't want to tell me she thinks that's a good thing. She wants White men to be discriminated against and oppressed because she feels they deserve it because of the discrimination and oppression White men did to women and non-Whites but she won't openly say this so it sounds like we aren't understanding each other. It sounds like the boomers are out of touch.
The boomers aren't out of touch. They just hate you because their fundamental moral values have taught them that you are the bad guys. Now, we're coming up with ways to explain why boomers aren't understanding because it seems like they aren't but the boomers get it, they just don't want to reveal the fact they think you're a bad person. There's a clash on fundamental morality.
Another problem is what we're discussing is highly complex. That philosophy book I recommended is written such that if your IQ isn't over 120 you won't understand anything you read. These concepts are not for the average person. Most boomers aren't that smart (just like most people) so the average boomer doesn't really understand much of what we're discussing. I sure as hell know my mom doesn't, she's a bit of a bimbo. These average boomers were taught something, their kids learned something else from experience and the concept of what either learned is too complex for average people to properly discuss between one another so it leads to both sides thinking the other is out of touch. What I'm saying is we've entered a realm of communication that unless you're smart, you won't understand how to communicate now or you'll purposely be deceitful because you see who you're communicating with as your enemy.
Macintyre (Auron) in the Total state also references that philosopher but uses the Lions and Foxes metaphor.
Using your Mum as an example, it sounds like she just doesn't understand what's happening, but since she's secure in her reality, it might as well be on the TV or in a book, not happening to her own Son. Remember boomers are the first generation to be completely propagandised. And unlike us, they got the carrot and wealth to go with it. We aren't getting the houses and families so naturally the propaganda falls short. But for them, they got the propaganda and the rewards that it promised.
Yes, definitely. Everything they were told worked out for them so they don't question it. When I say it doesn't work for me, they insist it must be a deficiency in the me rather than the system which worked for them. Their understanding of things beyond this is limited.