You don’t understand, dude….the society being described above did not require a degree, or constantly working overtime, nor did it require a family to be extremely frugal with their spending to live a decent life. Most of us lived a great life back in the 80’s and 90’s compared to nowadays, even with multiple kids in a single income household, and our parents weren’t constantly concerned about not being able to cover all of the regular bills if ANY unexpected bill popped up, like the family car breaking down or whatever. Quality of life was a billion times better, decent manufacturing jobs were everywhere that didn’t require a degree or require getting through an anti-White HR department, all of our neighborhoods were pretty much 100% White with no real crime beyond domestic abuse, and everyone knew each other on the block where your house was.
And you were working 8 hour shifts, 5 days a week at the manufacturing job? No, you were working OT (which is why you didn't need a second job).
I think you're overly romanticizing things. Some people lived as you describe but a lot didn't. A lot of people were struggling to make it. My father would tell me stories of how his family starved many nights because there wasn't enough food on the table. He wasn't just telling stories to scare kids, this was his real life situation. His father was an alcoholic, who'd be gone for weeks then beat his wife when he'd come home. A classic story for the times too.
Both my boomer parents had a high-school education and both worked. I was an only child. We got by but when I graduated university 15 years ago, I had a better Quality of Life with my first job out of university than the whole time my parents were together. I remember my dad buying a truck and nearly crying when he had to return it and beg for the dealership to take it back because he couldn't afford it. I bought a BMW M3 as my first vehicle.
The situation nowadays is not great because of the housing and immigration situation along with globalization. Especially for White men because of the recent DEI stuff in the last year. The DEI stuff hurt me considerably and my income is likely 50% less than it ought to be because of it.
Still, people are vastly romanticizing the past. Kids are still possible on high-school educations if you are willing to sacrifice some of the comforts many people today have grown accustomed to but no one wants to and I don't blame them for that. I wouldn't want to give up my lifestyle for kids but it can be done if people truly wanted to. Yes, the housing situation is not the same. That's one thing that I will for sure 100% give you but you can still make things work. If you're willing to move to a cheap area of the country, work a very mediocre job (that only needs high-school), rent a rundown old house and have kids with a wife who doesn't work, you can do it. It can be done and I know a woman who is currently doing exactly that. Many low-class families do exactly this.
A lot of people were struggling to make it. My father would tell me stories of how his family starved many nights because there wasn't enough food on the table. He wasn't just telling stories to scare kids, this was his real life situation. His father was an alcoholic, who'd be gone for weeks then beat his wife when he'd come home. A classic story for the times too.
So his family was starving because his alcoholic father spent the food money on booze? How exactly does that refute his statement? By your own admission your granddaddy's family was struggling because he was a bum, not because the time period was hard.
I bought a BMW M3 as my first vehicle.
You bought an $80,000 BMW as your first car? What are you, Alec Baldwin from Glengarry Glen Ross?
I was a kid, I didn’t work. My father was a CNC machinist for decades without having a college degree. He generally only worked 40hrs a week, he got bonuses, GE (his employer throughout my childhood) would hold family parties for their workersc that company was gear backing the day….my pops only worked OT on occasion when he wanted a little extra spending cash for Christmas or whatever, but he was home fairly early on most work days, and he never missed my football games on the weekends.
You don’t understand, dude….the society being described above did not require a degree, or constantly working overtime, nor did it require a family to be extremely frugal with their spending to live a decent life. Most of us lived a great life back in the 80’s and 90’s compared to nowadays, even with multiple kids in a single income household, and our parents weren’t constantly concerned about not being able to cover all of the regular bills if ANY unexpected bill popped up, like the family car breaking down or whatever. Quality of life was a billion times better, decent manufacturing jobs were everywhere that didn’t require a degree or require getting through an anti-White HR department, all of our neighborhoods were pretty much 100% White with no real crime beyond domestic abuse, and everyone knew each other on the block where your house was.
What we had then is NOT possible anymore.
And you were working 8 hour shifts, 5 days a week at the manufacturing job? No, you were working OT (which is why you didn't need a second job).
I think you're overly romanticizing things. Some people lived as you describe but a lot didn't. A lot of people were struggling to make it. My father would tell me stories of how his family starved many nights because there wasn't enough food on the table. He wasn't just telling stories to scare kids, this was his real life situation. His father was an alcoholic, who'd be gone for weeks then beat his wife when he'd come home. A classic story for the times too.
Both my boomer parents had a high-school education and both worked. I was an only child. We got by but when I graduated university 15 years ago, I had a better Quality of Life with my first job out of university than the whole time my parents were together. I remember my dad buying a truck and nearly crying when he had to return it and beg for the dealership to take it back because he couldn't afford it. I bought a BMW M3 as my first vehicle.
The situation nowadays is not great because of the housing and immigration situation along with globalization. Especially for White men because of the recent DEI stuff in the last year. The DEI stuff hurt me considerably and my income is likely 50% less than it ought to be because of it.
Still, people are vastly romanticizing the past. Kids are still possible on high-school educations if you are willing to sacrifice some of the comforts many people today have grown accustomed to but no one wants to and I don't blame them for that. I wouldn't want to give up my lifestyle for kids but it can be done if people truly wanted to. Yes, the housing situation is not the same. That's one thing that I will for sure 100% give you but you can still make things work. If you're willing to move to a cheap area of the country, work a very mediocre job (that only needs high-school), rent a rundown old house and have kids with a wife who doesn't work, you can do it. It can be done and I know a woman who is currently doing exactly that. Many low-class families do exactly this.
So his family was starving because his alcoholic father spent the food money on booze? How exactly does that refute his statement? By your own admission your granddaddy's family was struggling because he was a bum, not because the time period was hard.
You bought an $80,000 BMW as your first car? What are you, Alec Baldwin from Glengarry Glen Ross?
I was a kid, I didn’t work. My father was a CNC machinist for decades without having a college degree. He generally only worked 40hrs a week, he got bonuses, GE (his employer throughout my childhood) would hold family parties for their workersc that company was gear backing the day….my pops only worked OT on occasion when he wanted a little extra spending cash for Christmas or whatever, but he was home fairly early on most work days, and he never missed my football games on the weekends.
Like I said, it was nothing like it is now. .
My parents story was similar. They didn't have much extra money in the 90s but the big difference was white institutions they could rely on.
This included something simple like a local library or a post office. Those suck now.