Tucker posed this hypothetical: "What if there was a candidate who wanted to put the owners of Mindgeek [Pornhub's parent company] in prison? Would younger Americans support that?" Nick's answer was yes.
Almost everyone here has agreed at this point that age verification laws are meant to be an attack on the freedom of the internet, and that any effect on porn is beside the point. But for people who actually support the stated intent of the laws, it seems like legislating against the porn suppliers may be a way to effectively attack the industry without opening up another avenue of control.
What would this look like? In my opinion, fines and jail time for producers in the US and foreign websites that allow access to the US. As we've seen with social media in Europe, government pressure is enough to make companies change course.
The natural objection is that a VPN is really easy to use. That's true, but it's a barrier that would most likely severely curtail the usage of porn in pubescent children. The effect still might be substantial on adults as well. Also, it would effectively destroy the Onlyfans market since only a few determined women are going to jump through hoops to do illegal amateur porn for some company in Bulgaria.
Another objection I've seen is that women are the root cause of the breakdown of relationships, and that men need an outlet in porn to cope with that. The first part is obviously true but I don't think the second part follows. If massive numbers of young men are coping with the feminization of society through porn, that means it's a control mechanism to prevent them from getting angry enough to revolt. If we're going to make any progress against women's rights, men need to feel an acute sense of what they are missing.
There is also the possibility of knock-on effects on anime, movies, TV, etc. The only thing I really care about there is anime, but I think the collateral damage could be effectively controlled.
Except that won't stop things because anyone, anywhere who wants to show off still could. Porn is not a singular "professional" issue regarding the source of material, amateur generated content would still exist and if anything explode were "pro" porn simply targeted exclusively and removed. It would also still do absolutely nothing about the completely lackluster parenting approach that leads to many who shouldn't be accessing porn from doing so, instead offloading the burden onto "big daddy gov" who will then spend stupid amounts of money on things that won't work while attempting to curb general freedoms instead.
"Talent" is worthless without distribution, and the vast majority of amateur porn is fueled by hopes of monetization.
edit: I saw your solution to improve parenting is to charge parents with accessory to crimes if their kid looks up porn. Great, so now the kid has to go to a group home while Mindgeek rabbis continue to report billions in revenue. What a horrible idea.
As mentioned in my other comment ITT the web simply means that's always going to be a thing.
But it's not everything, and your own choice of words highlights you know this.
So you don't want ideas or discussion to solve this, you just want to make yet another thread whining about those in control in perpetuity because otherwise you would have nothing to complain about, just like most grifters "on our side" who want the whole shitshow to continue as just as much as the rest.
Please explain how the continual threat of death and the constant siezing of all property involved would not make this a trivial social issue in one year's time.
Did you really say anything with these comments? The market for amateur porn would be a fraction of its current size without monetization and distribution, possibly almost nonexistent. Pornhub allowing amateur porn grew the market and Onlyfans exploded it.
Whining? I proposed a solution and answered your objections. When I pointed out your idea has retarded knock-on effects your response is to cry about it.
So called amateur generated content often really isn't; all those whores on reddit and onlyfans are trying to make money from it. Shut down the profitable websites it's distributed on and it'll go from the current deluge to the comparatively tiny trickle we had back before it was easy to sell nudes online.
“Oy vey, you can’t hang us! It won’t change anything!”
No one said anything about this. Your strawman is meaningless.
“Stop letting the government imprison criminals! You should be forced to handle them yourselves!”
No one said anything about anything you are inventing out of thin air. He said “hang the people responsible for creating and distributing porn.” Your assumptions belie your terror.
This exactly. I was precise with what my solution was for a reason. I think the Bukele approach is correct.
"You can't stamp out porn CEOs because amateur porn will still get created!" Just lmfao
I guess we should just allow murder and abortion too, since they're just done anyway!!!!
What’s extremely telling is that when the jews demanded the repeal of all laws prohibiting certain sexual acts in the 1920s, they claimed “everyone is doing them already anyway” as their justification.
Guess they never change their spots.
Weirdly enough he actually wants the government to make parents into criminals and imprison them, which I guess would allow the kid to get groomed by a local OF pimp.