It's fascinating that on one thread you talk about Moral Objectivism being the "pinnacle of human achievement" yet here, we are back to "what's good for you is fine but don't yuck my yum".

The basic question is: when you get to the end of your life, what will you have to show for it? For most of us, it's not going to make a difference on the grand scale. This mostly will boil down to 3 paths.

One, I stayed single and lived for myself (lived out my morals or for a sense of achievement counts too)

Two, I got married and worked on the next generation (yeah, some people get married and are abusive scum, but we are talking about goals. No one strives to do that)

Three, I stayed single and worked for the next generation

The last path is an extremely difficult path reserved for very few, highly capable men. Very very few people have the talent, the foresight, the tenacity, and the sacrificial outlook to achieve it. Most men NEED a wife and family to get them thinking about how they can improve the next generation (because they are just thinking about taking care of their kids).

Yeah, my whole argument can be undone by saying "I don't think advancing the next generation is a good aim". But that puts you outside the confines of this discussion. And outside the thought process of thousands of generations of men.