If we don't accept their victimhood and whining then they have nothing.

It's deeply tragic and frustrating that they've controlled culture for so long. They, being communists, had the training and the backing, and completed the long march through the institutions. It's understandable, but no less enraging. Society is in much worse shape, since these termites were allowed to run roughshod for so long.

This is what Kirk did, he said it was their choice to be victims and offered them redemption instead of suffering, and didn't accept their pity plays.

He did a lot, and no one on either side can pin him down to one thing, but you're correct. I wasn't even a viewer, but it is incredibly sad they killed the moderate. He just seemed like such a good dude. Honest and fair. He wasn't hateful, he'd engage with anyone, but stood his own ground. That's what I'm asking for too.

Same thing Myron Gaines does, only far less politely - no excuses, personal responsibility, accountability - you can be strong and healthy and successful if you choose to be.

I hope Myron keeps at it, and improves. His stuff's funny but...he's not there yet. His debating sort of sucks and, even if I think he's correct, he's not making his arguments well. But everyone starts somewhere, and very few people lose debating skills when they debate more. He can only go up.

That's the successful message. No whining, no flop falls, no pity plays allowed. Then the policy issues fix themselves.

True. But my point here is a corollary; don't shape yourself to seek approval from people with which you completely disagree. That's retarded.