I've seen the show before. I saw episodes as a kid, as it played on reruns on channels. Born in the early 90s so obviously it was well before my time, but I enjoyed it unironically as a kid as kids don't pick up on all the silliness.
Then seen about a season of it in my late teens to early 20s on like netflix or something and enjoyed it for it's silliness.
Now watching it again, and yes, I see the bad acting, the campiness, the goofiness, the comedy, and it's all charming and enjoyable, but one thing in particular I absolutely love is that the Joker is just an over the top criminal with a clown gimmick. That's all he is, and it's great.
After all this post-modern waxing poetic from midwit pseudo intellectuals about the deep complexities of Batman and how "isn't it crazy how Batman and the Joker contrast each other...Bats are dark, but he is a symbol for good, and clowns are happy, but he's an agent of chaos" or "they need each other, they both would feel empty if either were gone"
Yadda yadda yadda.
This show, which was more in line with the older Batman comics, which I've never read, is like, "nope, Batman is a deputized member of the police and the Joker is just an eccentric goofy guy with clown makeup who pulls off zany heists."
It's refreshing after decades of Joker obsession from the pop culture/internet.
To me, Tim Burton Batman is the absolute darkest Batman needs to go. Batman 1989 is fun while having a more serious edge, but doesn't go too far with the "seriousness" like with the Nolan crap where it's deep philosophical musings involving a guy running around wearing bat ears.
Nolan Batman is so eye roll inducing....the pretentiousness.
Give me goofy Adam West camp over this "heckin realistic and serious" Batman any day of the week.
60s Batman, Tim Burton Batman, and Batman Forever (yes I like that movie, shut up). That's Batman to me. Everything else is garbage. I like the Arkham games too and a few other miscellaneous Batman stuff, but you get the idea.
Batman and Robin is also garbage. Just stating the obvious so you don't think I'm a contrarian with my enjoyment of Batman Forever. Joel Schumacher got lucky with Batman Forever and I think it's fun and the right amount of goofy whereas Batman and Robin went right off the cliff into the realm of retardation.
I hate Christopher Nolan movies. My dislike of his films and my assessment of him being a pretentious filmmaker are not limited to the Batman movies.
Inception, what a dull and boring way to make a movie where you can do litereally anything, because you're exploring dreams.
Tenet. Cut it off after 15 minutes on account of not being able to discern a single line of dialogue.
Interstellar....was ok, but when you're ripping off 2001 a Space Odyssey by an actually incredible film maker, you're bound to at least arrive at being decent, which Interstellar is by Nolan standards.
If all he ever made was Memento, he would have been seen, in my opinion as a creative guy with a bright future ahead of him. Interesting concept, interesting execution.
Instead he is associated with the 2010s mumble acting, grey washed out color palates, movies taking itself far too seriously, hyperfocus on plots that aren't even good with very little atmosphere, characters who speak like plot point dispensers rather than actual human beings, and in general films that feel like the movie equivalent of being a Zoloft zombie. His movies look and sound like what depression feels like. There's nothing fun or enjoyable about his movies. I feel like a vampire is sucking out every bit of life from me when I watch his crap.
Now I'll give credit where it's due. I enjoyed all three of his Batman movies in theaters.
I also enjoyed Avatar in theaters and quickly realized it's a piece of crap.
The Nolan Batman movies, over time revealed themselves for what they were, which is painfully of the times 2010 malaise type movies that do not hold up.
Batman 1989 feels as timeless today as ever. Nolan Batman epitomizes they style of film-making and acting that is the reason I have like barely a handful of films I'll watch past the year 2006 or so.
The more time went on, the more the Nolan Batman films became evident that they are Christopher Nolan movies, and as time went on I realized how much I despise Christopher Nolan movies.
Similar thing with Casino Royale. Enjoyed it at the time, but now hate everything to do with Daniel Craig's Bond because of what it represents and the sheen wore off once some time goes by and you can assess it objectively.
The point of comparison of Nolan's Batman and the 60s Batman is the gravity given to a guy wearing a batsuit who fights clowns who commit crimes is way disproportionate.
The 60s Batman for all it's corniness gives an appropriate weight to things, which is that it doesn't give it any weight. That's fine, and Burton's Batman is also fine which gives it some weight, but not the type of weight that Nolan or that one with the guy from Twilight gives it.
To me that is pretentious when you give Superman that level of gravity like Zach Snyder, or Batman that amount of gravity with Christopher Nolan.
No, I'm not an atheist. I'm a Christian. Are you a teenager? Because thinking your movie tastes make you smart or elevated like the rick and morty copypasta is a teenage sort of mindset.
Let's set a few things straight here.
"Embarrassing take. When you knowingly have autism, you should think twice before proclaiming your retarded opinions."
All I was doing was expressing something I dislike. I like Tarantino movies for instance. I guarantee you there's people here who despise Tarantino who see him as subversive, anti-white, and even pretentious. I wouldn't necessarily say they're wrong, but I think his films are enjoyable. If someone ripped into Tarantino, I wouldn't insult them, I'd offer my perspective.
If you like Christopher Nolan, by all means enjoy him. There are movies and directors that I like that any number of these people on this forum could make fun of and tear apart because they don't like them. Everyone has opinions and they're free to say my takes are stupid, which people have done in the past.
You went too far with the personal attacks and implied I was making up my opinion, essentially lying about what I like and don't like to be contrarian which is why I elaborated and expressed that I don't like Christopher Nolan as a director full stop.
As for your argument that the "majority" of people like. That's ridiculous.
The majority of people like the Marvel constant quipping movies, but I bet you a good chunk of the people on this forum don't like that.
The majority of people in the 70s preferred ABBA over something like Pink Floyd or Black Sabbath. It didn't mean people who hated ABBA were morally bankrupt or lying. There was a time where Disco was super popular....I suppose the disco haters were just contrarians?
As far as pop culture goes, I don't like modernity, so most of entertainment falls into that realm.
Breaking Bad is my favorite TV show of all time. It's also one of the most popular shows in the eyes of the public of all time.
In that case, the popularity and my tastes match up. That rarely happens.
Video games didn't start embracing that modernity crap until around 2013 or so, so from the time I was a gamer until late PS3 generation, my tastes and the popular games of the time also lined up pretty well.
Now because I don't play modern games, my tastes don't line up.
I don't know how old you are, but I'm 33. If you live long enough, you'll reach an age where you hate the things that are popular.
My late grandpa basically only watched Gunsmoke, Bonanza, Columbo, John Wayne Western movies and sports. Because at some point his tastes and the tastes of the popular culture passed each other never to be seen again.
It happens to every person eventually, it's just because of the nature of modernity and my experience and displeasure with it, it's happened to me at an earlier age than it did typically to people in past generations.
EDIT: One other thing, I also want you to know that I have no desire to rob you of enjoyment of Christopher Nolan movies. There are movies that I refuse to look at analytically because they make me happy, either because of nostalgia or some other reason and no critic no matter how "smart" or well spoken they are is going to force me to view certain things the way they view it. My opinion was just that, an opinion. If his movies succeeded in entertaining you than he did his job. I'm just expressing my personal tastes.
I don't like Michael Bay. My mom likes Michael Bay. I've expressed why I don't care for his movies, and she's fine with it and it doesn't rob from her, her enjoyment of his movies. Just because I think analytically about certain things, doesn't mean you have to or even that if you did you would arrive at the same conclusion. I've always been an analyzer type of person, but I don't always have a negative opinion in my analysis nor do my analysis always align with people who are equally analytical. Movies are the type of thing where you can have 5 people get 5 different takeaways, or 5 people disliking it for 5 different reasons or 5 people liking it for 5 different reasons.
There's some people here, heck just this past week where I made a post about Indiana Jones and someone said that it's all pedophiles and Harrison Ford is a Jewish pedo and so is Steven Spielberg. There's some people who can't enjoy any level of Hollywood entertainment because to them it's all "Jewish propaganda". If that's their mindset, I'm not going to try to convince them to enjoy what I enjoy nor is it my job to.
I paid that comment no-mind. No one is going to argue me out of enjoying Indiana Jones or other Spielberg movies, and I don't expect that I am going to argue you out of enjoying Nolan films nor would I have any desire to take from you something you enjoy. My opinion wasn't an attack on Nolan enjoyers, but was actually shared for the people who also share my opinion on Nolan Batman. It doesn't bother me that you enjoy Christopher Nolan, and it shouldn't bother you that I don't enjoy Christopher Nolan. They're just opinions on film and personal tastes.
Ahhh Tenet, my wonderful child. Such a fun concept, shame it takes 4 watches while also having the flowchart open to understand what’s going on.
Still love that movie though.