Bullshit KiA started as athiest and "saw the light". The board was flooded with religious fuckwits as they were driven out of other communities, and the Johnny come lately-s simpliy outnumber the core old guard.

But that's not the point. The point is a simple discussion of morals, which for you and apparently many others seem to only come from religion, and yet you fucking dive headfirst into preference utilitarianism for WHICH religion produced the society YOU think is best, and yet you SOMEHOW have the fuckall brain capacity that can't connect these two dots, separated as they are by the grand gulf of a few millimeters, that there aren't objective morals, but rather systems of morsl frameworks that prioritize different things and lead to different outcomes.

You can judge the relative morals on whatever criteria you want, and make declarations on whether a system meets your criteria or not, but you cannot point to a system that generates objective and correct morals, EVEN WHEN you dig through your scrapbook of gods and churches.

And kindly go fuck yourself with a hand grenade whose pin is removed and which has been slathered in bullet ants when you say I don't respect the value of old traditions. I am more traditionalist then half this fucking board at this stage, except in the religion thing, and that's mostly because my ancestors live in eastern Europe and don't have much truck with gods and churches. Tradition is the answer our great grandparents came up with for questions we've forgotten how to even ask, certainly, but not EVERY tradition was the CORRECT answer. Deriving morality from ancient fiction is no more correct then leaving out an offering of milk for the fae so they don't sour the rest of your stock. You can pull some useful morals from any religious text, because so much of it is tied to the human condition, but to tie those useful facts to the fiction of gods and talking snakes and split oceans is retarded.

And stick another hand grenade up there for saying I'm here specifically to shit on Christians. You guys are retarded, but you've been relatively harmless for a few decades. I'll go back to you once the mudslime and jew questions have been answered, and even then only if your start regaining institutional power. I lived through the moral panics of the 80s and 90s by the christian right, and I'll be damned before I see that power returned to you.

Grab a third one for suggesting I, or anyone, read Nietzsche. The man was a hack.