You put yourself in Dave's shoes, but you have to truly put yourself in his shoes. Don't imagine yourself in his perspective. Imagine himself in his perspective. This is a guy who joked that certain women deserve to be raped. This is also a guy who just called ("satirically") for Greta Thunberg to be drone striked. By Dave's reasoning, both of those things arguably stoke more "unrest" than "F the Jews." Women are raped every day, and Western activists have been killed in Palestine before, to say nothing of dozens of Palestinians killed in suspicious circumstances every month.
Dave needs to take everything else that comes out of his mouth into account before he flies off the handle. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. This is why so many Jews are so dislikable. Perhaps deliberately (because they hold themselves as superior), they seem to have no self-awareness.
If you were to truly put yourself in Dave's shoes, you should imagine a scenario in which your Christian denomination was bulldozing homes, carpet bombing children, and to top it all off, enshrining themselves as a protected minority in other people's homelands while doing their level best to demolish those people's self-determination and sense of identity. In such a situation I would be ashamed as a Christian to try to destroy someone's life for letting off some steam about my group. "Pick the log out of your own eye before you pick the splinter out of your brother's eye" comes to mind. The Jews didn't like it when Jesus said that either. I wonder why.
I wouldn't say "F the Jews" for the reasons you outlined. Paul says praising and cursing should not come out of the same mouth.
To how Israel handles the enemies at their gates, I don't understand why they're considered genociders.
Muslims across the world have made it known they want Israel nuked off the map.
When Israel was refounded after WW2, there was a deal drafted that would have actually given "Palestine" a ton of favor, but the Muslims were licking their lips going "we'll destroy them quickly" and refused to take the deal. Once Israel was established, the attacks against Israel started immediately, but what should have been an easy destruction of Israel, they could never destroy them.
But they've been attacking them constantly ever since.
In war, innocents get hurt. When we nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki, some would call that a genocide. If we're going by the standard that's held to Israel it would be, but war has different rules.
When you are being attacked by terrorists and in retaliation innocents on the other side get harmed, that's war....that's why you don't want war, and it's not a war that Israel started.
Listen to and pay attention to these lyrics from this song written in the 80s. It's as pertinent and true today as it was back then.
I'll say the same thing to you I said to the troll below. If you drop a GBU-31 on a refugee camp to kill one or two Hamas fighters, you are effectively considering the lives of the innocent people in that camp as meaningless.
You can't even make the Hiroshima and Nagasaki arguments in support of the child-killing JDAMs, because both sides recognize that these bombs are not going to make the Palestinians stop fighting the Israelis. There is no such cause. Just pure vengeance or ethnic cleansing.
This is why Israeli propaganda pushes the notion that there are no real innocents in Palestine because every single child has been programmed to kill Jews. If you go with that line of reasoning, and use that to justify slaughtering civilians, then stop crying about a sign.
For the sake of this post I've also set aside the rich history of tit for tat with the Israelis, including Jews inventing modern terrorist bombings...
I think that's a thoughtful post.
You put yourself in Dave's shoes, but you have to truly put yourself in his shoes. Don't imagine yourself in his perspective. Imagine himself in his perspective. This is a guy who joked that certain women deserve to be raped. This is also a guy who just called ("satirically") for Greta Thunberg to be drone striked. By Dave's reasoning, both of those things arguably stoke more "unrest" than "F the Jews." Women are raped every day, and Western activists have been killed in Palestine before, to say nothing of dozens of Palestinians killed in suspicious circumstances every month.
Dave needs to take everything else that comes out of his mouth into account before he flies off the handle. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. This is why so many Jews are so dislikable. Perhaps deliberately (because they hold themselves as superior), they seem to have no self-awareness.
If you were to truly put yourself in Dave's shoes, you should imagine a scenario in which your Christian denomination was bulldozing homes, carpet bombing children, and to top it all off, enshrining themselves as a protected minority in other people's homelands while doing their level best to demolish those people's self-determination and sense of identity. In such a situation I would be ashamed as a Christian to try to destroy someone's life for letting off some steam about my group. "Pick the log out of your own eye before you pick the splinter out of your brother's eye" comes to mind. The Jews didn't like it when Jesus said that either. I wonder why.
I wouldn't say "F the Jews" for the reasons you outlined. Paul says praising and cursing should not come out of the same mouth.
To how Israel handles the enemies at their gates, I don't understand why they're considered genociders.
Muslims across the world have made it known they want Israel nuked off the map.
When Israel was refounded after WW2, there was a deal drafted that would have actually given "Palestine" a ton of favor, but the Muslims were licking their lips going "we'll destroy them quickly" and refused to take the deal. Once Israel was established, the attacks against Israel started immediately, but what should have been an easy destruction of Israel, they could never destroy them.
But they've been attacking them constantly ever since.
In war, innocents get hurt. When we nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki, some would call that a genocide. If we're going by the standard that's held to Israel it would be, but war has different rules.
When you are being attacked by terrorists and in retaliation innocents on the other side get harmed, that's war....that's why you don't want war, and it's not a war that Israel started.
Listen to and pay attention to these lyrics from this song written in the 80s. It's as pertinent and true today as it was back then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr3gyxCm6pU
I'll say the same thing to you I said to the troll below. If you drop a GBU-31 on a refugee camp to kill one or two Hamas fighters, you are effectively considering the lives of the innocent people in that camp as meaningless.
You can't even make the Hiroshima and Nagasaki arguments in support of the child-killing JDAMs, because both sides recognize that these bombs are not going to make the Palestinians stop fighting the Israelis. There is no such cause. Just pure vengeance or ethnic cleansing.
This is why Israeli propaganda pushes the notion that there are no real innocents in Palestine because every single child has been programmed to kill Jews. If you go with that line of reasoning, and use that to justify slaughtering civilians, then stop crying about a sign.
For the sake of this post I've also set aside the rich history of tit for tat with the Israelis, including Jews inventing modern terrorist bombings...