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How many generations till the world get to this point? (media.kotakuinaction2.win)
posted 4 months ago by SparkMandrill83 4 months ago by SparkMandrill83 +125 / -1
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– LGBTQIAIDS 8 points 4 months ago +9 / -1

For some years I've thought of that as a fait accompli.

Of course, post-2050 there will be a slow and then rapid decline in the global population. A big question, then, is just who will even be left to contemplate this question? Between low birth rates and mass race mixing, it is easy to envisage entire ethnicities soon disappearing from the Earth.

For instance, I expect Koreans to be effectively extinct within the next few centuries, and Japanese to be extinct at some later point. The remaining descendants of the Japanese and Koreans will be heavily mixed with other peoples, particularly with Chinese and Indians, but plenty of Africans and others will also be in the woodpile by that time.

China is the greatest non-European civilization—for instance, alongside Ancient northern India, China is the only non-European civilization to have philosophical achievements, such as Confucian ethics—and has the greatest chance of surviving in such a world, but I have strong doubts that they will be able to withstand 'diversification' coupled with their underfertility crisis.

All of North America I see as simply Africanized and Hispanicized. Asian immigration should be expected to slow down over the coming decades for a number of reasons (e.g. Asian governments curbing emigration more and more in their doomed attempts to curb their own population decline; Asians seeing an Africanized/Hispanicized North America as simply less appealing to live in than Asia; increased hostility between Western countries and China and its allies), and African immigration, in particular, should be expected to sharply increase.

Oceania will almost certainly become thoroughly Asianized, and it has been government policy for decades. In the 1980s, then Prime Minister Bob Hawke, for example, famously said that Asianization must not be allowed to become a political issue, viz. the process of becoming a Asian country should not be open to debate. Another senior minister said, in 1983, that Australia becoming 'an Eurasian country' was both 'desirable' and 'inevitable'. As for New Zealand, I have heard that it may now only be 56% European in the latest census, but I haven't seen the census data personally.

Europe is more complicated, but it will definitely become more African and Maghrebi. I do not think that it will become Arabized, Asianized, Hispanicized, etc. Numerous Arab countries and Hispanic countries are also already below or well below replacement level birth rates (e.g. Chile, UAE) or barely above replacement level (e.g. Turkey, Iran). And the Hispanics, as I said, will continue going to North America.

I also agree that if we look far enough in the future, all of these peoples, who will be so racially mixed as to have widespread cluelessness as to their ancestry, may even conclude during their rare moments of clarity and sobriety in between shooting up drugs and imbibing 'potions', that 'tha Wypipo' were simply a myth. How can we be descended from Wypipo? We look like our ancestors were crackheads, not crackers.

For why should they believe that Wypipo ever existed? They will never see one in person. Any surviving photos and videos they might dismiss as mere fakes created by AIs. Maybe a Yakub-like black scientist created the AIs so that they could help him conquer the world. Maybe he also created the myth of Wypipo to drive fear into these future people. As for stuff like old space rockets and whatever: If we can't build them and therefore probably could never build them and the Wypipo never existed to be able to have built them, they were probably built by aliens or mythical creatures like tokoloshes.

As for the moon landing, it is something already coming to seem miraculous and beyond belief. When humans first discover a new place, what is it that they tend to do? They come back in bigger numbers. They form lasting settlements on it. They stake claims on it and try to prevent others from taking it from them. Why then, hasn't this logic unfolded on the moon? Let's face it: getting to the moon, something presumably feasible last century, might not even be feasible in today's world. Do humans even still have what it takes to get there? Maybe NASA and other relevant institutions are already 'diversified' to the extent that they can't repeat something that they presumably managed over half a century ago.

Musk laughably wants humans to go to Mars when it is increasingly doubtful that they can even return to their own moon. Has it ever occurred to him that his rockets keep exploding for the same reasons that Man has never returned to the moon? Can a minority White country (especially if the 30,000,000 illegal immigrants claim is correct) with an average IQ below 100 achieve what a 95%+ White country with an average IQ above 100 did?

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– llirrem 2 points 4 months ago +2 / -0

So you're saying we currently have the technology to get a robot on mars but we don't have the technology to get to the moon anymore?

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– LGBTQIAIDS 2 points 4 months ago +2 / -0

Enter Antarctica. We can send any number of robots to Antarctica, but we're incapable of forming permanent settlements there, let alone off-world.

Consider the food problem: there are plants growing inside at least one of the Chinese research stations. But that's enough for just the few dozen researchers stationed there, who are probably all involuntary vegans.

How are entire cities going to be fed? Constant food supplies would most likely be sent to Ushuaia and from there to the Antarctic Peninsula. That is the fastest route to get them to Antarctica, but we'd still need a way to get them over to West and East Antarctica, which are more distant from any other continent than the Antarctic Peninsula. There are all kinds of other problems, such as the fact that you'd be moving supplies over several different countries' territory. For example, Argentina and Chile dominate the Antarctic Peninsula. What would happen if they hypothetically decided not to co-operate? It's a logistical nightmare.

You also have all kinds of socially constructed roadblocks to Antarctic colonization. The widespread idea that Antarctica is purely for scientific research. For instance, military presences are essentially banned in Antarctica. So are hotels and other tourist attractions. There is a limit to how many tourists are allowed on shore at any one time. (For the record, I do not even disagree with those last two points: overtourism is a clear problem, including in Antarctica.) And so on.

Re-enter outer space. Let's revisit the first sentence of my last paragraph, but take it one step further. Musk laughably wants humans to colonize Mars when they can't even colonize Antarctica, let alone the moon. This is a man of wrong priorities.

Finally, sending a robot to Mars is nothing to compared to colonizing the moon. No problem concerning food, water, shelter, gravity, governance, and many other things emerges in the former scenario, whereas it is abundantly clear that these things present insurmountable problems for contemporary humans in the latter scenario. You probably thought that your comment was some kind of gotcha, ya' nonce.

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– llirrem 2 points 4 months ago +2 / -0

You didn't say anything about "colonizing" the moon in your first comment, you said we lost the ability to send people to the moon, that was what I was criticizing. We still have the ABILITY to send people to the moon, we just lack REASON to do so. As for colonizing mars, yes we are a long time away from that, step one is: get people to mars for a short visit.

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