It should be no secret that the idealized vision of the financially conservative, socially Libertarian, anti-Globalist, populist Right that is currently enjoying a brief ascendancy was brought about by a wave of young, Internet-savvy independents swinging to the Right since 2014. You saw them everywhere on social media before the vast purges began. For the sake of brevity, let's call them "the Anime Right."
Contrasted against them are the "Tradcon Right." These are the financially insolvent, socially oppressive, globalist powermongering boomers who have dominated the establishment Right for at least the past half century, as well as a smaller but loud swell of ambitious newfags who want to emulate them because the libertarian populism part won't make you a billionaire or get you fawned over on Fox News.
All of the good things coming about in western society today as the result of the Anime Right rising for the past yet years, and merging with the establishment Right, and doing so with enough numbers and energy so as to overpower the Tradcons. The latter have lost footing in every single area of cultural and political action except for the tiny hats, and even that, impossibly, is beginning to be discussed somewhat openly if still in hushed tones.
They tried demoralizing the shit out of us, beginning with an event called #GamerGate, to get us to fall in line and it only made us angrier and more determined Now years later, what do we see? The age-old tactic of salami fighting, and loli art is the bait. What is salami fighting? Its a tactic taught in some martial arts as a way to deal with an opponent who outnumbers you. tl;dr is, you run and let them chase. Because people naturally have different body builds and running speeds and endurance, by stringing the enemy along using bait (in this case yourself) the enemy naturally stretches out into a thin line from fastest to slowest. Then you turn around suddenly and try to pull a quick takedown on the first person behind you before the second catches up. Then you repeat with the second person, and the third. It's like slicing a salami. You can't beat the whole thing, so you trick it into spreading itself thin and then you take out its pieces one by one in the order of lowest hanging fruit.
In this case its because the new Right is, well, new. It has fragility. Fault lines. Points of disagreement that are less important than the overall cause, but ripe to be exploited to cause fracturing if the enemy can just find the right wedge. And you know who the enemy's best allies are for this? The Tradcons who want control and power back.
I warned this very forum about this shit a year or more ago. The Left and their political cuck allies are desperate to shut down the Anime Right. To splinter it off, or more accurate force it to be ejected from the new Right coalition.
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Do you want the people making the Right wing a viable, populist alternative to the Globohomo Left to pack up our shit and go home? Because moralfag crusading of fictional works of any fucking kind is how you're gonna do it. AND THE ENEMY FUCKING KNOWS THIS. STOP. HELPING. THEM.
You want the 4chans and 8chans and regular fucking memelord degenerate nerds of the world on your side through all of this bloody bullshit fighting? Because people that like are how you ever got this far. Then leave the fucking anime, the fucking videogames, and the fucking lolis alone. You are directly in the process of taking the first steps down the path that made our enemies our enemies in the first fucking place. You think somebody's ideas are "icky" and you want government power to destroy expressions of it, and in a vacuum where no one and nothing is being harmed by it except your personal , highly egotistical sensibilities. We're not talking Drag Queen Story Hour corrupting real kids here, you disingenuous fuckers. We're talking about art that you can look up on Google for twenty fucking years.
This analysis contains a lot of truth, but misses the mark in some important ways.
"Socially libertarian" is not a good descriptor of a body politic that is completely intolerant of transgenders and has swung radically against gays. Only 15% of the LGBT vote went to Trump, about the same percentage as the Jewish vote. Also, since you're using this forum as a proxy for the "anime right," then it should be noted that we're so tilted against gays that they're considered the victims of pedophiles and mostly latent pedophiles themselves. There were gay posters on reddit KiA/KiA2, can't think of any here.
On the subject of the "tradcon" right, the old "tradcon" faction you speak of uncritically embraces feminism and no-fault divorce somehow, whereas the strongest voices in the new right want to make childrearing the primary life focus of women again and keep signaling that we should repeal women's right to vote.
I would say the ascendant faction on the right is actually a third party I will call the "1488 right." Lol. That is actually more serious than it is a joke, but maybe the "ethnonationalist" or "race realist" right are better labels since the key belief is that everything worth preserving about Western civilization can only be sustained by majority white populations. Collinear with this objective are stances of isolationism (anti-globalism), anti-feminism, anti-LGBT, anti-degeneracy, rejection of Jewish influence, and pro-Christianity. That last part may be a little shocking to say out loud, but I think it is easily appreciable to anyone who can look at patterns with an open mind.
The ethnonationalist right obviously did not form out of rigid ideology. Rather, the majority of it has come to that camp out of practical considerations. The boilerplate out of the old "tradcon" right was wholly inadequate to explain the fall of Western culture and society, and the left was attempting to hasten the process, so both must be rejected and more radical explanations must be considered. This practical attitude is why a lot of people here hold formerly unconventional positions like embracing adult Legos, video games, and anime, because there is no utility in rejecting those things other than signaling plaid shirt lumberjack conservatism for the Daily Wire (see the old tradcon right).
HOWEVER, an anti-degen, anti-pedophile, anti-prostitution, anti-promiscuity, pro-Christian faction is not oriented toward porn. Let alone cartoon porn of individuals with prepubescent characteristics. I can't recall a single prominent RW account that has signaled for porn.
Does this mean supporting legal bans on loli? No, due to practical considerations. But I'm fine with Steam banning it.
The reason that this place is still split on moral approval of porn and loli is because of the strong influence of the manosphere RW, which is a defensive reaction to a feminist society that has systematically crushed every male activity and interest for decades. The manosphere counters this by rejecting every single criticism of men as a group. But in the end, to try to embrace porn and reject promiscuous culture is an incoherent position.
I think you're both making the same mistake. There is no "new faction" of the right. What we're really seeing is a multitude of groups with fuzzy separations where the only real commonality is they are against the insanity of today's left. The gay 2A advocate, the pro-life boomer, the free-speech absolutionist, the union guy who has personally felt the open borders, the anti-feminization manosphere guy, the AIPAC neocon, the race-realist; they're not natural allies. At least not on every front.
That's why we've got to be extremely careful about purity spiraling. The best we can realistically aim for is: get government and the courts out of it and let culture and social pressure resolve the rest. That's the common ground. Shame worked great before. It's the infestation of lawyers into every aspect of human interaction that's destroyed the US.
And in that vein, this forum isn't a bad example. We don't have a united voice on every issue. But we don't need it to be an echo chamber. That's not the point. The free exchange of idea is.
Indeed, this is a new coalition under a new "big tent" and if I implied otherwise that's my mistake. But the faction that is gaining the most ground is by far the ethnonationalists.
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Maybe. But, if I assume that I'm not an outlier, some of us just don't give a shit about upvotes and especially downvotes. If someone says something worth recommending, I'll upvote. Anything short of actual spam, I don't bother downvoting.
Besides, you should gauge sentiment off post content and conversations in replies, not muh hecking updoots. We're small and votes are easily skewed by links/crossposts. Downvotes are the tool of people who don't disagree enough to have or bother with a reply.
tl;dr: Stop thinking like a Redditor.
Only because this forum is functionally dead, and has been brigaded relentlessly as part of a deliberate subversion operation.
Boomers aren't pro life much. They've given up that fight in order to elect zognald. Radical anti abortionists like myself are much younger.
I was making up examples of individuals that would be considered "right" while not having much obvious common ground to illustrate the idea, not commenting on their frequency.
Your answer is inadequate. We do not affect change in society by neutering our enforcement arms of government and ceding control to some random foreign corporate/NGO. Government is a tool that will be used. If you don't use it, someone else will.
I should have probably specified federal government.
But I still disagree agree with neutering the government being a bad thing. The 1A has done a pretty decent, but not perfect, job of protecting free speech via the government. It did not take a $5b/yr "Department of Free Speech" to accomplish that. And I see no reason to believe it would have been any better protected if such an agency did exist. It would just be more attack surface that could be subverted and weaponized.
There's plenty that a limited government can do with simple laws that doesn't require a sprawling bureaucracy that touches every part of your daily life.
Dude this is a grrat reply. And in it you summed up my thoughts perfectly when reading the OP. The ascending right is not libertarian at all, its collectivist at its heart as the young feel very threatened and are circling the wagons.
There is a path forming, a rejection of extreme isolationist individualism, a rejection of the boomercon right values of money money and more money. The market isn't safe to buy in, what's the point of having money to spend there?
The argument for free speech has limits and people are starting to understand porn, degeneracy, and pedophilia, even animated shit, is not welcome in a healthy society. Those obsessed with gratuitous self pleasure will of course struggle when their favorite habit is rightfully attacked. And there are dire consequences to real freedom of thought and speech as the government pushes control and ID checking for things like porn, but you will not find me defending it. Its a fake refuge that weakens your position on speech protections when you try and integrate lewd destructive poison into protected speech.
Isn't right wing, keep dreaming wehraboo. You commies are literally just a splinter group promoted by globalist actors to harm the right.
The United States is a collective. Get over it.
Honestly amazing response except for the conclusion.
People merely advocating for certain things to not be banned are not "embracing" it. If I say I don't think that alcohol should be prohibited that doesn't mean I am "embracing" alcohol or any downstream problems introduced by its existence. If someone is advocating for weird shit to be normalized, that's a completely different thing altogether. I think 99% of people here could agree stuff like that should carry a stigma and not be normalized, but advocating for it not to be banned does not contradict that position.
You touch on utilitarianism a little, so it really seemed you were going to end with "and thus most here don't want it banned because it doesn't lead to us winning the overall cultural struggle we find ourselves part of, and is, in fact, counterproductive to it," but instead you randomly veered off into "not wanting something banned = embracing it."
Still saving your post though; stuff like this are why I love this board.
Thanks, I actually agree with that in general and I probably should have been more clear that I was speaking of embracing/rejecting in a de facto, cultural context, not a de jure, legal context.
Libertarian principles allow for rejecting the systematic use of homosexuality as a weapon. Actual libertarian principle is "do what you want to yourself but don't harm others or try to force it on anyone else" and the fucking faggots and troonery is nothing but forced and harmful.
I'd be fine if gays got back in the fucking closet, and nobody ever allowed troonery to be taken seriously again - the deranged faggots can go kill themselves in the corners like they used to. It's the system enabling them, promoting them, giving them privileges and access to children that is the harm.
In an actual functional libertarian society, shooting a pedo teacher that tried to groom your kids would be considered justified.