Yes but in seder's position and anybody that take his ideals, they don't draw any lines whether it harms another party or not. They selfishly impose their ideals on unwilling people. Not saying rellgious people aren't guilty of that either but Sam Seder and his ilk are far guiltier than any that force their own beliefs onto the rest of us. To me that's the crux of the problem, they are forcing the ideals built on shaky concepts they can't even define well enough.