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posted 5 months ago by Telia 5 months ago by Telia +115 / -2
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– current_horror 13 points 5 months ago +13 / -0

“Order of events” is the foundation of any sustainable moral framework. If you cannot respond to violence with violence, then you will reliably be destroyed by violent people. If defensive, “reactionary” violence is morally equivalent to unprompted aggressive violence, then all “good people” are destined for extinction. Killing in self-defense isn’t murder, and the only people who claim otherwise are anticipating your murder.

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– Kienan 10 points 5 months ago +10 / -0

Really well said!

If defensive, “reactionary” violence is morally equivalent to unprompted aggressive violence, then all “good people” are destined for extinction.

The next chain in logic here is that, if you want "good people" to exist, then you have to have people with the moral framework you laid out, and the people pushing against them are pushing for the extinction of "good people."

Not only is it right, it's necessary.

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– CatoTheElder 7 points 5 months ago +8 / -1

No, Order of Events which is just a different way of saying the NAP is half the foundation of all liberal frameworks. (The other half is the Tabula Rasa.) It is the basis of all victimhood grifts like the holocaust grift or slavery grift. Simply claim you are the injured party and then anything you do is now moral, like bombing churches and burning children alive.

Might Make Right is the basis of moral frameworks because that is how the universe works. It doesn't matter how distasteful you might find it, because ultimately the only laws are the ones that are impossible to violate, F=MA, F=G*(m1*m2)/r^2 etc. Any philosophy that does not align with the universe is incorrect and ultimately will fail.

Waiting to be the injured party means that eventually someone stronger than you will come along and remove your ability to retaliate in a singe action. And then the operating framework is back to Might Makes Right because what you believe doesn't matter, you've lost.

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– current_horror 4 points 5 months ago +5 / -1

Compelling argument.

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– 1776ReasonsWhy 2 points 5 months ago +2 / -0

If defensive, “reactionary” violence is morally equivalent to unprompted aggressive violence, then all “good people” are destined for extinction.

In addition, if this is true, then first-strike is equally as moral as defensive response, meaning that massacring anyone you don't like is never immoral since it's the same as hitting back. Defensive has to be "better" than offensive, or there's no reason to not be aggressive and jingoistic at all times. It would lead to quite a nightmare world.

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