https://x.com/hayasaka_aryan/status/1869893494451646581?s=46&t=faZuJrlTDWXL0cFU9llBmg
Apparently the dude was also involved with a triple homicide the same day
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Unfortunately, it does look like a legit battery charge. Because it's Nick, and because it's Chicago, he's probably not going to get the leniency that, even as someone who hates him, he does deserve.
You actually can't swing open the door and pepper spray someone who has not shown any hostile intent. If they aren't supposed to be there, you have to get the cops involved and refuse to answer the door. I understand why it seemed reasonable, but it is a violation of the letter of the law.
Hopefully he can bring this up to the judge and get enough leniency that they'll let him negotiate his bail conditions so he can move out of county for the obvious threat to his life.
Yeah on one hand she openly bragged about going to his house to harass him.
But the hostile intent wasen't displayed directly at Fuentes at the moment.
So Fuentes opened the door to confront her ( as I understand, in his state that is a big no-no ) instead of asking the cops to remove her ( and her friend stalking from the car ).
I expect him to get community service or something.
Oh and I don't think it seemed ''reasonable'' from the video. I think it seemed unhinged ( though that might be the charitable bias for old ladies working ), but she fully deserved it.
None of the people involved I would call ''level-headed and reasonable''...
On a moral examination, she totally deserved it. But, like I said, I do think he violated the letter of the law, even if it was reasonable enough for him to do what he did. Taking her phone is probably the most unjustified thing he did, but it seems like he gave it back at some point. Hopefully, he gets leniency for the battery charge because it is simple battery, and because it's OC spray, there's no real physical injury like bruising.
One caveat I would offer is, we don't know if that is what happened. It's pretty suspicious that we've only seen parts of her video. At least that's my understanding, although I haven't followed it closely.
But it's very possible there was more going on that we didn't see. Although, flipside, similarly to not seeing her full video...we know Nick has a camera outside his door, so if there was a preceding aspect to the altercation, it's odd we haven't seen his side of things. Again, to my knowledge, and someone correct me if I'm wrong.
The problem is that there's nothing else needed. Opening your door to someone who even is presenting ordinary force can make you the aggressor in a lot of cases, especially of the prosecutor wants to add the scalp of a racist to his trophies.
Those women didn't present an imminent threat of ordinary force to his person so long as that door was closed. There's no good way to get around that. Even if they were outside his house screaming "come out here bitch, I'll fight you!" that would still be the case. He increased his own threat against him by opening the door.
Never pursue, it reverses victim and offender.
I know you may be mentally challenged, but Nick can 10000% present a defense that will win of:
“hey I’ve been threatened, and had been threatened for days up until that point. I had lacked sleep out of fear. I have had to hire private security. I saw someone whom I did not know or recognize outside my house, called the cops who did nothing, and when the stranger approached my door via my camera I was able to see she was:
1). A stranger I do not know, and who had no valid reason to be on my property.
2). A valid threat, seeing as they are a stranger I do not know, displaying essentially opposing gang colors (indicating intent) approaching my door.
3). Days later, thanks to this woman doing exactly what she did (and in her words she did this “to make him afraid”) another young man came to his house to kill him after killing 3 others.”
If you don’t think this defense overcomes “much racism” then the justice system is dead and we need to burn it to the ground.
Again, first, it is a violation of the letter of the law. There's no justification for him to open his door, except to engage a target that was NOT an imminent threat to him yet. He must admit that before he opened the door, he was not under any imminent articulable threat. That is unquestionably the case.
However, he's going to correctly argue that his actions were reasonable given the circumstances you laid out. But that's effectively an affirmative defense where he says, "I'm guilty of battery BUT HEAR ME OUT." And that's not necessarily wrong. That's true of all self-defense claims.
Self-Defense claims are always inherently dangerous for this. You admit guilt, but need an exception due to the circumstances.
Innocent people go to prison all the time. Fuentes is a guilty person we're hoping gets leniency. In Illinois. As a nationally renowned antisemitic, white nationalist, woman hater. That's fuckin' bad. His attorneys have work cut out for him.
I think he'll get some leniency after this. I think that community service or an apology of some such we'll probably be fine. I don't think he has a criminal record. It's the lowest level of simple battery. I doubt he'll see time in jail, let alone prison.