Remember folks, it's only real democracy when you vote for the correct candidate. If you vote for the obvious Russian puppet it doesn't count. (/s)
But yeah, this is disgraceful and corrupt on so many levels. Even if a candidate is a Russian puppet does it matter if he gets majority votes? If the people want a Russian puppet then they want a Russian puppet, and you should respect the people's wishes if you truly believe in democracy.
But we all know libs and globalists don't really believe in democracy or individual choice. See Klaus Schwab talking about needing to infiltrate ze cabinets and force changes upon people.
And right now they really really hate Russia and want to force WW3 to happen before they start losing power. Then they can just declare states of emergency and suspend elections forever.
Was he an actual puppet or is that just another smear with the same brush? If he was how obvious was it that people would have voted knowing this to be the case?
they have 0 proof. you know, as usual. the closest thing they have to proof is along the lines that we, posting here, are obviously foreigner russian trolls rigging the election by swaying the popular opinion.
actual russian puppets are fine - they need the other side in force so WW3 can kick off and as many Whites can be thrown into the meatgrinder as possible, so Romania being on the 'wrong side' would've been fine.
honestly before this i had still thought it was all just theater and circus, but now that they're actually just calling it quits on their "democracy" just to get rid of this Georgescu guy i'm beginning to believe he's not just another politician. i wonder how many people will die in this little game. they already have the young college generation ready to die for a dumb broad who made toilet seat cover commercials.
The closest proof they have is that Georgescu praised Putin as a "patriot and a leader" which... is based as hell, and doesn't mean that he's a Russian puppet. Now I'm not an expert on social interactions but I'm sure complimenting and praising people is a good way to make friends with them, and it is a good idea to be friends with Putin rather than his enemy.
In a lib's mind anyone trying to make friends with Russia is a Russian puppet.
And one other thing that probably really pisses them off is that Georgescu said that he opposes the war in Ukraine and wants to focus on his country's people first. Which is also really based. That war has been nothing except a money laundering scheme for Western governments.
Personally I have mixed feelings about him. On one hand yes he's definitely a patriot and a strong leader. On the other hand he's clearly trying to rebuild the Russian empire at the West's expense.
But at the same time the West is so horrible that Putinist Russia is an infinitely more appealing option.
Judges of the Constitutional Court said they had received requests to annul the result, citing intelligence documents that were declassified this week detailing allegations of Russian influence on social media.
The law stipulates that, in the event of the annulment of the elections, they should resume on the second Sunday after the date of the annulment - which would have meant on 22 December.
However, the court has decided to ask the government to resume the entire electoral process, and therefore the electoral campaign.
Not only do they overturn the will of the people based on vague allegations of Russian influence on social media, they don't bother to follow the law regarding when the election should resume.
Honestly they probably would. They're blatantly trying to steal the election when Georgescu was on track for winning the election, and they can't have that. Romania also has recent history dealing with authoritarian bullshit during the commie regime and people still remember that.
I disagree. Back when the migrant crisis started in EU it was opposed by very few countries, including Romania. Romania folded in an instant like the cowards that they are. And from what I can see Romanians are going to "vote" harder between EU and more EU. They are swapping Soviet Union for European Union to the same effect and labeling it as "progress"
I think it's a bit more complicated. Romania has always been a poor country and highly reliant on EU money, and cutting off that money would have been bad for everyone. And back then most people didn't truly understand the devastating effects of mass migration from third world countries.
I believe we will see a lot more people taking a hard stance against migration this time, even if it affects the money they get from the EU. While Romania has been much less affected by migration since they're all going to West Europe it's very easy to see proof of its negative effects on the internet.
There was no revolution in Romania. It was a coup by disgruntled members of the RCP. You see it was one thing to take orders from Nikolai - he was uncultured, uneducated and of low thinking but actually did have some sense of how politics worked. He played a decent game for the most part. His downfall was Elena. It was one thing to be bullied by him, but to be bullied by her? And she used to put him up to a lot of idiocy as well which just antagonised everyone.
I don't remember if it was 88 or 89 but Gorbachev visited Romania and given the state of the eastern bloc told him soviet troops would not intervene or shoot civilians to prop up these regimes. Traditionally the Romanians looked more towards Red China or North Korea and flirted with the west and Yugoslavia playing off different factions against each other. Nikolai probably had a hand in convincing Mao to meet Nixon. It all went wrong though.
There was serious economic hardship in the 1980's. Nikolai bankrupted the country and instead of dealing with the IMF and making cuts and economic reforms he decided to do it all himself without their emergency finance to tide the country over. Heating and hot water in many communal blocks was limited to 1 hour a day even in the depths of winter. Malnutrition was common. The country was so poor chicken legs were a currency.
Nikolai had already booted some RCP and army officers for challenging his authority. Elena told him to murder them but he refused.
In 89 he essentially decided to end all traditional rural life in the country and force its peasant farmers into communal farms and tower blocks to increase their production (because the country was starving) but actually it resulted in some serious disorder. Wild rumours spread I believe about churches being destroyed.
Nikolai went on the roof and addressed the crowd to try and repeat the crowning moment of his political career when he rallied the crowds after the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968 when they put an end to the Prague spring. Romanian leaders were never entirely sold on Moscows policies. In any case it didn't go to plan. Disorder spread in the crowd and in the major cities. The minister of defence on being ordered to use force shot himself, the army believed he had been murdered. He actually did commit suicide but the army started fighting with the Securitate the Romanian secret police. Nikolai and Elena tried to flee. No one knew what was going on. The next morning some of his former enemies who had been "retired" basically took command of the situation in the capital taking advantage of the chaos and conducted a coup.
It wasn't that hard - the real stroke of genius was the realisation that the end of communism and liberal economic reforms meant they could help themselves to enormous quantities of state owned industry and assets in the glorious new capitalist Romania. The same thing happened in Ukraine in the dying days of the USSR - an unholy alliance between rabid nationalists and communist officials who realised independence would allow them to help themselves to vast amounts of state property for their own enrichment.
Given the hardship in the country and the end of the old regime they didn't have to do much to become the most beloved Romanian government in all of history given how dire things were. Much the same people who controlled the country under communism continued to control the country afterwards.
Nikolai bankrupted the country and instead of dealing with the IMF and making cuts and economic reforms he decided to do it all himself without their emergency finance to tide the country over.
a translation: nicoale loaned from the IMF to build industry to the point of replacing the horses on the capital roads with locally-produced automobiles, and instead of then selling those roads to the IMF to pay for the loans, he made cuts and economic reforms to pay them back the regular way.
after the "revolution", despite romania's debt being a square 0, all the industry was turned to scrap, all the natural resources were sold off to canada and others, and now the french own Dacia. go figure.
Well the real problem was Romania decided to invest a lot of its capital in heavy industry even though it was part of a bloc which had no end of it, I mean the country was run by a former railway worker and Nikolai had been in prison with him as a delinquent youth and had been his helper in prison between that and communist economic doctrine it was never going to turn out well. Romania did have its own oil fields and access to the black sea. They maybe should have tried to be a little more like East Germany or Yugoslavia and buy in their cheap raw materials on favoured terms from the other soviet bloc countries to focus on some higher end industry. They mismanaged their economy so badly they were having to import oil to power all their heavy industry and that is what really got them into trouble even though their industries were horribly loss making on top of that. It would have probably been better if they hadn't bothered with any of it.
I would never own a Dacia but they are actually quite a clever company. Renault ships all their old plant designs to Romania and have them build cheap bare bones slightly updated looking versions of old vehicles. They have sold quite well in England and they are better than they used to be. Some of the early ones were shit but I can see why people have them now.
Oh boy. If you thought there was nothing they wouldn't do or try in the West you wait to see what they roll out in the east. Romania is a mafia state, its politics makes Italy's look clean.
From what I hear on the grape vine NATO are also colonising Romania in a way they haven't in the past. Under the EU Romania got enormous transfers of money from Western Europe to build a modern motorway system but they just stole all the money and hardly built anything but now apparently since Ukraine someone has leaned on them and they are building a motorway between the coast to Ukraine so it can be a corridor for NATO logistics.
Remember folks, it's only real democracy when you vote for the correct candidate. If you vote for the obvious Russian puppet it doesn't count. (/s)
But yeah, this is disgraceful and corrupt on so many levels. Even if a candidate is a Russian puppet does it matter if he gets majority votes? If the people want a Russian puppet then they want a Russian puppet, and you should respect the people's wishes if you truly believe in democracy.
But we all know libs and globalists don't really believe in democracy or individual choice. See Klaus Schwab talking about needing to infiltrate ze cabinets and force changes upon people.
And right now they really really hate Russia and want to force WW3 to happen before they start losing power. Then they can just declare states of emergency and suspend elections forever.
Was he an actual puppet or is that just another smear with the same brush? If he was how obvious was it that people would have voted knowing this to be the case?
honestly before this i had still thought it was all just theater and circus, but now that they're actually just calling it quits on their "democracy" just to get rid of this Georgescu guy i'm beginning to believe he's not just another politician. i wonder how many people will die in this little game. they already have the young college generation ready to die for a dumb broad who made toilet seat cover commercials.
The closest proof they have is that Georgescu praised Putin as a "patriot and a leader" which... is based as hell, and doesn't mean that he's a Russian puppet. Now I'm not an expert on social interactions but I'm sure complimenting and praising people is a good way to make friends with them, and it is a good idea to be friends with Putin rather than his enemy.
In a lib's mind anyone trying to make friends with Russia is a Russian puppet.
And one other thing that probably really pisses them off is that Georgescu said that he opposes the war in Ukraine and wants to focus on his country's people first. Which is also really based. That war has been nothing except a money laundering scheme for Western governments.
I hate Putin but even I think he is a patriot and a leader, especially compared to someone like Biden or Kamala.
If he's a patriot, why does he keep importing savages from asia?
I'm actually curious, why do you hate Putin?
Personally I have mixed feelings about him. On one hand yes he's definitely a patriot and a strong leader. On the other hand he's clearly trying to rebuild the Russian empire at the West's expense.
But at the same time the West is so horrible that Putinist Russia is an infinitely more appealing option.
Bring back Vlad.
Not only do they overturn the will of the people based on vague allegations of Russian influence on social media, they don't bother to follow the law regarding when the election should resume.
This is pretty fucking wild.
dRuMpF iS a ThReAt To DeMoCrAcY
Time to see if Romanians care.
Honestly they probably would. They're blatantly trying to steal the election when Georgescu was on track for winning the election, and they can't have that. Romania also has recent history dealing with authoritarian bullshit during the commie regime and people still remember that.
I disagree. Back when the migrant crisis started in EU it was opposed by very few countries, including Romania. Romania folded in an instant like the cowards that they are. And from what I can see Romanians are going to "vote" harder between EU and more EU. They are swapping Soviet Union for European Union to the same effect and labeling it as "progress"
I think it's a bit more complicated. Romania has always been a poor country and highly reliant on EU money, and cutting off that money would have been bad for everyone. And back then most people didn't truly understand the devastating effects of mass migration from third world countries.
I believe we will see a lot more people taking a hard stance against migration this time, even if it affects the money they get from the EU. While Romania has been much less affected by migration since they're all going to West Europe it's very easy to see proof of its negative effects on the internet.
I hope you are right.
The past 5 years taught me that only approved protests are allowed. Makes you think how organic the Romanian revolution actually was.
There was no revolution in Romania. It was a coup by disgruntled members of the RCP. You see it was one thing to take orders from Nikolai - he was uncultured, uneducated and of low thinking but actually did have some sense of how politics worked. He played a decent game for the most part. His downfall was Elena. It was one thing to be bullied by him, but to be bullied by her? And she used to put him up to a lot of idiocy as well which just antagonised everyone.
I don't remember if it was 88 or 89 but Gorbachev visited Romania and given the state of the eastern bloc told him soviet troops would not intervene or shoot civilians to prop up these regimes. Traditionally the Romanians looked more towards Red China or North Korea and flirted with the west and Yugoslavia playing off different factions against each other. Nikolai probably had a hand in convincing Mao to meet Nixon. It all went wrong though.
There was serious economic hardship in the 1980's. Nikolai bankrupted the country and instead of dealing with the IMF and making cuts and economic reforms he decided to do it all himself without their emergency finance to tide the country over. Heating and hot water in many communal blocks was limited to 1 hour a day even in the depths of winter. Malnutrition was common. The country was so poor chicken legs were a currency.
Nikolai had already booted some RCP and army officers for challenging his authority. Elena told him to murder them but he refused.
In 89 he essentially decided to end all traditional rural life in the country and force its peasant farmers into communal farms and tower blocks to increase their production (because the country was starving) but actually it resulted in some serious disorder. Wild rumours spread I believe about churches being destroyed.
Nikolai went on the roof and addressed the crowd to try and repeat the crowning moment of his political career when he rallied the crowds after the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968 when they put an end to the Prague spring. Romanian leaders were never entirely sold on Moscows policies. In any case it didn't go to plan. Disorder spread in the crowd and in the major cities. The minister of defence on being ordered to use force shot himself, the army believed he had been murdered. He actually did commit suicide but the army started fighting with the Securitate the Romanian secret police. Nikolai and Elena tried to flee. No one knew what was going on. The next morning some of his former enemies who had been "retired" basically took command of the situation in the capital taking advantage of the chaos and conducted a coup.
It wasn't that hard - the real stroke of genius was the realisation that the end of communism and liberal economic reforms meant they could help themselves to enormous quantities of state owned industry and assets in the glorious new capitalist Romania. The same thing happened in Ukraine in the dying days of the USSR - an unholy alliance between rabid nationalists and communist officials who realised independence would allow them to help themselves to vast amounts of state property for their own enrichment.
Given the hardship in the country and the end of the old regime they didn't have to do much to become the most beloved Romanian government in all of history given how dire things were. Much the same people who controlled the country under communism continued to control the country afterwards.
a translation: nicoale loaned from the IMF to build industry to the point of replacing the horses on the capital roads with locally-produced automobiles, and instead of then selling those roads to the IMF to pay for the loans, he made cuts and economic reforms to pay them back the regular way.
after the "revolution", despite romania's debt being a square 0, all the industry was turned to scrap, all the natural resources were sold off to canada and others, and now the french own Dacia. go figure.
Well the real problem was Romania decided to invest a lot of its capital in heavy industry even though it was part of a bloc which had no end of it, I mean the country was run by a former railway worker and Nikolai had been in prison with him as a delinquent youth and had been his helper in prison between that and communist economic doctrine it was never going to turn out well. Romania did have its own oil fields and access to the black sea. They maybe should have tried to be a little more like East Germany or Yugoslavia and buy in their cheap raw materials on favoured terms from the other soviet bloc countries to focus on some higher end industry. They mismanaged their economy so badly they were having to import oil to power all their heavy industry and that is what really got them into trouble even though their industries were horribly loss making on top of that. It would have probably been better if they hadn't bothered with any of it.
I would never own a Dacia but they are actually quite a clever company. Renault ships all their old plant designs to Romania and have them build cheap bare bones slightly updated looking versions of old vehicles. They have sold quite well in England and they are better than they used to be. Some of the early ones were shit but I can see why people have them now.
This is EXACTLY what happened in the Ukraine that resulted in zelensky being in charge.
Vee's (who's in Romania) video on this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fELyQ_2X8U
The fix is in...
Calinescu winning was clearly a bug and they released a patch to fix the bugged election mechanics lol.
Oh boy. If you thought there was nothing they wouldn't do or try in the West you wait to see what they roll out in the east. Romania is a mafia state, its politics makes Italy's look clean.
From what I hear on the grape vine NATO are also colonising Romania in a way they haven't in the past. Under the EU Romania got enormous transfers of money from Western Europe to build a modern motorway system but they just stole all the money and hardly built anything but now apparently since Ukraine someone has leaned on them and they are building a motorway between the coast to Ukraine so it can be a corridor for NATO logistics.