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I knew you were gonna come by with bullshit again. You are like the liberal newscaster saying "Hindenburg's (sic) Uncertainty Principle is why we can't accurately predict election results."
First it is Gödel's incompleteness theorems, not "Goodell's" theorem. Second it only applies to first order logical systems. Third the incompleteness theorem only says that a theory cannot prove itself. Any political theory is so far removed from ZFC that you pretending like it means anything in the realm of political frameworks is probably the most smooth brain thing I will read this entire year. It's like saying that you cannot use Newton's laws to calculate ballistics because the Standard Model cannot account for CP-symmetry breaking.
I corrected the spelling.
Besides that, I'm not asking you to mathematically prove a political opinion. I'm saying you're misapplying the concept of a paradox, and I'm giving you an example of a larger trend in sciences which shows that you can't have perfect mapping of any model onto reality. A paradox doesn't exist in reality because it's an issue with the model which is what you said, but you're assuming there's a model that won't have one.
No political theory is going to exist without an inconsistency, and you're never going to find or make one. This is especially true because you are attempting to map a theory onto reality which will never map perfectly, assuming you could develop a near perfect political theory, which you can't.
That is false, because reality exists. Just because our descriptions are inadequate right now does not mean they will always be so.
This is kind of like the idea that a computer could 100% simulate the entire universe. It doesn't matter how much you refine your language and ideas, a mental model will never 100% capture all of reality, especially not through written language.
You are confusing the information capacity of the universe with it's laws. A larger universe can simulate a smaller universe, even if it has identical laws.
Actually, as long as our “descriptions” are based on systems of logic, they will remain fundamentally “incomplete”, or in Gödel’s framing, there will always be true statements which cannot be proven true within any given system. That’s why it was such a mindfuck to mathematicians at the time and that’s also why it’s been practically ignored since
It's rightfully ignored because it is wrong. The proof is that the universe exists. Any paradox is equivalent to 1 = 0, which means if a paradox exists then one could exploit whatever system that contains it to destroy matter and eventually the universe.
Reality exists, theory is an abstraction. You will never get to a complete understanding of reality, especially as a political theory, because political science is not a rational, material, science. Political Rationalism is wrong.
Then again, even if Political Science was a rational, material, science; just like what I was trying to get with Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem; you still can't get to a theory of politics which maps to reality perfectly. Mathematics is not a good enough model to map completely to reality. Logic is not a good enough model to map to reality completely. It's why scientific revolutions exist.
Theory is a description. Each step towards the theory of everything, things get simpler, if more high energy. It is the same few laws repeated over and over again at smaller and larger scales. That is not abstraction, that is the opposite of abstraction. You were bringing up Conway's game of life the other day, so you should understand how simple laws can give rise to apparent complexity. If you know the state of the universe at a given point, you can calculate the state of the universe at any point in the future or the past. We are not there yet, but we will be, provided libertarian don't destroy all science funding or democrats give it all to the niggers.
It's only when you zoom out, and away from first principles that you get unsolved complicated crap like the Navier-Stokes equations.