Leftists would side with actual demons in fantasy
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It's amazing how wrong they are despite Frieren spelling it out for the viewers. Demons are predators who eat humanoids. Demons need to eat humanoids to survive. Humanoids need to kill demons so they don't get eaten. Demons are quite literally wild animals. Morality doesn't even play a role in that relationship. It's just about survival.
For that matter, has anything spelled it out as clearly as Frieren? That world's demons might not be the most evil (in the malicious, sadistic sense) of any race, but they're one of the most irredeemable, and amoral races in a fantasy setting. They don't even really have emotions. It's not so much about them being bad, as them being completely inhuman, and completely opposed to, and a danger to, humans. Which amounts to the same thing, to us humans.
Honestly, I love that leftist jumped on the "it's racist to hate demons" train, especially when it was so explicitly spelled out why demons are, in fact, bad news.
It would be one thing if the Frieren writer had done the opposite, and said demons were misunderstood and were, in fact, redeemable...and Frieren still hated them. That could create an interesting moral dilemma, and we could argue about whether the protagonist's feelings were right or wrong. But, no, in that world it was made incredibly clear that demons are not to be bargained with, they're not to be empathized with...because there's nothing there to make a human connection with. And leftists still jumped on the demon train.
Really makes you think.
Maybe Frieren is a sort of inverse Turing Test that reveals who among us are the weak-minded simpletons who can't be trusted not to sell their community out to charismatic demons because they got tricked into feeling sorry for them. It's written well enough with enough nuance that you could theoretically see things from the anthropomorphized demon's point of view if you're retarded.
"AI" in general (as in ChatGPT) is kind of like that too. If you know someone who talks to chatbots and then starts saying AI will need rights and regulations to protect new emerging intelligences - put them on a watchlist because they will be the first ones to betray humanity to Skynet when the opportunity comes.
Big emphasis on the "if you're retarded" part. Again, it's amazing how they spelled everything out, and leftists still decided to simp for the demonic predators. They specifically told you why you shouldn't do that, and what happens if you do...and they still do it.
I'd say we should head that shit off at the pass and just not do AI, but I know that ship has sailed. It's like nuclear weapons; they exist, people will strive for them. AI is possible, so someone will do it. And retards will simp for AI rights, that's basically a foregone conclusion, as retarded as it is.
We really do have a problem of some absolutely substandard humans dragging the rest of us down, don't we?
Are we sure that AI is possible? Really, really good predictive pattern recognition algorithms, sure. The application of those algorithms in such a way that it can be instructed to make something that is essentially new, probably. An actual consciousness that thinks and acts and takes initiative on its own? I’m not sure.
KNIVES WAS RIGHT!
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Redemption is a human concept. Demons look humanoid but they aren't. They're wild animals that evolved to hunt humanoids by mimicking them. They're solitary animals that only interact with each other to hunt. The war they waged on the humanoids was basically just for survival. They're neither amoral or irredeemable because you can't apply those concepts to them.
I think we're mostly in agreement, but amoral is not immoral, which is why I said it how I did. They are amoral, because they don't have morals at all. And I'd still argue they are irredeemable, because they're so disconnected from humanity.
Again, I think we actually agree, but I still stand by that they're amoral and are incapable of being redeemed, by their very nature, which was my point.
Yeah, I guess you're right. We're basically saying the same thing but differ on the definitions of those terms. For me morality and redemption are strictly human concepts that can only apply to humans and nothing else. Demons in Frieren can't be redeemed because there is nothing to be redeemed. They're not amoral because the concept of morality doesn't apply to them. Just like with any animal on earth. But I guess that is more of a philosophical discussion that isn't really relevant to the topic.
Which is one of the reasons I like Eight-Six: 86 so much. It is a more straightforward message about racism being wrong, but it also shows that both sides of the fight are wrong, and does so repeated.
The Alba's who are in charge of San Magnolia would rather see their entire nation fall and their people massacred before they would ever even conceive of admitting the 86 are even human, let alone worthy of rights. And at other points in the story, you see another nation fighting the Legion who doesnt have those issues and is in a much better position to be fighting the war with walkers that are actually worth a damn instead of the walking coffins the 86 pilot. And that very much fits in with what you would expect of a hamfisted anti-racism story in the West.
But the 86 are shown to be just as prejudiced, want to see the destruction of all of those "white pigs", and will gaslight themselves over any Alba who treats them well. Even the ones who fight for their rights or those who actually come to the field to fight and die alongside them. And of course, it extends to those who had lived among them, or their children, or those of mixed ancestry.
Can you name a single modern Western work that shows that the discriminated against minority is capable of being evil and that this is shown as a bad thing?