We can't have debates anymore because everything has become a virtue signal. Even in niche little shitholes like this, that have zero value, people are obsessed with making sure you know how much they hate the Jews (to use one example, it fits with any label really) and how every thing in existence is Jews.
No questions, no thinking. Just waiting for the next guy to say "actually it was even more Woke than you just said!" as he quotes some random screenshot and then every claps like seals.
And if you point out their source is flawed and doesn't make sense they will flip shit and accuse you of defending women and being a simp and yadayada. Even if you agreed the idea seemed possible, but the source saying it wasn't trustworthy and likely just grifting. They don't want to engage with the idea, they just want to be applauded for saying Nigger the loudest. And they've wrapped their ego and self-worth in being the rebel who says it, which means you questioning them is an actual attack.
Even someone who is educated and capable of debate, like Gitzortnik, will simply start shouting "STORMFAG STORMFAG" at you for trying to engage him on the topic, because his ego is that wrapped in being "the voice of reason" here about it.
Yes Gitzortnik change is most unsettling that even he has closed rank and virtue signal when he was encouraging to debate the hr at work (If I remember correctly) in a proper setting and situation ofc.
"And they've wrapped their ego and self-worth in being the rebel who says it"
But why have they gone that path? Is it that the actual psyops are breaking people even here and so the need something to cling to in order to hold fast? or is the infiltration of new fags that has converted to old guard that only fire can meet fire? Or were there only bots at the end, haha.
My current theory of behavior is that people are at the stage where knowledge no longer is gathered and instead only trying to rile or find common ground/sanctuary/Staging ground (What do call place in order to gain hype and recuperate?) since to most even if they do not say this election seems to be where it is decided according to their tales on what the next action will be and weather it is a major one. (even tough personally I believe there is quite a bit more to this tale before we get into the end and beginning of something new)
Do tell me if I am completely of the chart here.
Ending with a passing quote, haha
My Armor is Contempt My Shield is Disgust My Sword is Hatred In The Emperor’s Name Let None Survive
I'll respond to most anything, its how these long arguments usually end up happening.
But why have they gone that path?
Because its human to do so. Everyone wants to be the underdog, everyone wants to be special, and everyone wants to be right. It takes constant self reflection, self-forced humility, and a willingness to break rank regardless of embarrassment to stave off our own subconscious turning us into that.
Its even more rampant right now, because the cultural/political landscape is heavily team based. Us vs them. You can't have a nuanced or third position because that's just letting the Evil side get stronger through inaction. So everyone is pushing each other to the extremes to try and become the "overwhelming force" they think is necessary to defeat the other side.
You are probably correct in that gathering knowledge is discouraged, instead knowledge is just meant to be a bludgeon to prove how enlightened you are, and if you can be the one to say "ackshually Greece/Rome was super homophobic, you been psyopped into thinking otherwise" then you become the most "knowledgable" and thereby the winner.
Its even more rampant right now, because the cultural/political landscape is heavily team based. Us vs them. You can't have a nuanced or third position because that's just letting the Evil side get stronger through inaction. So everyone is pushing each other to the extremes to try and become the "overwhelming force" they think is necessary to defeat the other side.
Which is strange cause is not much of the modern (post ww2) western mythos more about the few against the many which should tie even more into being special and being part of the few. Even here people are turning socialist, haha
But I do agree that everyone is pushing each other to escalate in their virtue signaling.
You are probably correct in that gathering knowledge is discouraged, instead knowledge is just meant to be a bludgeon to prove how enlightened you are, and if you can be the one to say "ackshually Greece/Rome was super homophobic, you been psyopped into thinking otherwise" then you become the most "knowledgable" and thereby the winner.
But using it as weapon to browbeat require the previous mentioned overwhelming force (of media)? Or at the very least that the people are open to the narrative you are telling thus not being in a state in which data is no longer being gathered. Which means you must beat them over the head with knowledge and then discourage the information gathering phase in order to keep being the anointed one. (huh just repeating what you are saying but in other words)
A new query becomes how do you end this war state of the mind? For those that had humility cause atm I'm not sure humility is not part of genes to a certain extent.
Does until the "threat" has been neutralized ? But endless warfare of the mind has great toll to pay, it would not be achievable in the long run if you ask me.
Until the anointed one allow the rest? Plausible to some extent, but the this would be more of state of rest rather than starting gathering of data meaning just lowered defenses.
Defeat aka be beaten by a more "knoweldge foe"? No, logos is out and so is ethos.
I do not see how you swap between the states, it seems too binary for me. (perhaps that is the problem, and it is just a gradient, but how is the gradient changed?)
Would it mean that giz for instance always was on the warpath against the nazis and that the globalist were not deemed a threat to the same extent?
Which means you must beat them over the head with knowledge and then discourage the information gathering phase in order to keep being the anointed one
You could also just overload them with information until they just cannot keep up with the constantly flowing happenings and then rewriting of those happenings.
Which seems to be how this is going. People don't have the time or energy to keep up in all the battlefields going on in this culture war, so they outsource the flow to who they consider "trustable" sources. And because the human mind loves consensus, "trustable" usually ends up as "says what I want to hear." Which then creates an echo chamber for yourself where you discount all information that doesn't fit as lies or psyops and overload yourself with confirmation bias. And then it just spirals from there until they feel strongly enough to be shouting down other people who try to dissent.
A new query becomes how do you end this war state of the mind?
I don't think we can truly. Humans will always create problems to overcome, its just in our nature. The best solution we have is to fractalize into tinier communities, where you have face to face interaction with all parties and the world is a lot smaller, thereby giving you full access to all information directly.
This isn't possible more than likely, and is probably communism in a way, so the best we can hope for is to mitigate the negative effects the best we can. What the best way to do that is, is hard to say.
I won't pretend to have all the answers, I'm just an aging coonass, but I at least try to avoid some of the common pitfalls to keep myself from falling into the same mindsets.
We can't have debates anymore because everything has become a virtue signal. Even in niche little shitholes like this, that have zero value, people are obsessed with making sure you know how much they hate the Jews (to use one example, it fits with any label really) and how every thing in existence is Jews.
No questions, no thinking. Just waiting for the next guy to say "actually it was even more Woke than you just said!" as he quotes some random screenshot and then every claps like seals.
And if you point out their source is flawed and doesn't make sense they will flip shit and accuse you of defending women and being a simp and yadayada. Even if you agreed the idea seemed possible, but the source saying it wasn't trustworthy and likely just grifting. They don't want to engage with the idea, they just want to be applauded for saying Nigger the loudest. And they've wrapped their ego and self-worth in being the rebel who says it, which means you questioning them is an actual attack.
Even someone who is educated and capable of debate, like Gitzortnik, will simply start shouting "STORMFAG STORMFAG" at you for trying to engage him on the topic, because his ego is that wrapped in being "the voice of reason" here about it.
I did not expect a response tbh.
Yes Gitzortnik change is most unsettling that even he has closed rank and virtue signal when he was encouraging to debate the hr at work (If I remember correctly) in a proper setting and situation ofc.
But why have they gone that path? Is it that the actual psyops are breaking people even here and so the need something to cling to in order to hold fast? or is the infiltration of new fags that has converted to old guard that only fire can meet fire? Or were there only bots at the end, haha.
My current theory of behavior is that people are at the stage where knowledge no longer is gathered and instead only trying to rile or find common ground/sanctuary/Staging ground (What do call place in order to gain hype and recuperate?) since to most even if they do not say this election seems to be where it is decided according to their tales on what the next action will be and weather it is a major one. (even tough personally I believe there is quite a bit more to this tale before we get into the end and beginning of something new)
Do tell me if I am completely of the chart here.
Ending with a passing quote, haha
I'll respond to most anything, its how these long arguments usually end up happening.
Because its human to do so. Everyone wants to be the underdog, everyone wants to be special, and everyone wants to be right. It takes constant self reflection, self-forced humility, and a willingness to break rank regardless of embarrassment to stave off our own subconscious turning us into that.
Its even more rampant right now, because the cultural/political landscape is heavily team based. Us vs them. You can't have a nuanced or third position because that's just letting the Evil side get stronger through inaction. So everyone is pushing each other to the extremes to try and become the "overwhelming force" they think is necessary to defeat the other side.
You are probably correct in that gathering knowledge is discouraged, instead knowledge is just meant to be a bludgeon to prove how enlightened you are, and if you can be the one to say "ackshually Greece/Rome was super homophobic, you been psyopped into thinking otherwise" then you become the most "knowledgable" and thereby the winner.
Which is strange cause is not much of the modern (post ww2) western mythos more about the few against the many which should tie even more into being special and being part of the few. Even here people are turning socialist, haha
But I do agree that everyone is pushing each other to escalate in their virtue signaling.
But using it as weapon to browbeat require the previous mentioned overwhelming force (of media)? Or at the very least that the people are open to the narrative you are telling thus not being in a state in which data is no longer being gathered. Which means you must beat them over the head with knowledge and then discourage the information gathering phase in order to keep being the anointed one. (huh just repeating what you are saying but in other words)
A new query becomes how do you end this war state of the mind? For those that had humility cause atm I'm not sure humility is not part of genes to a certain extent. Does until the "threat" has been neutralized ? But endless warfare of the mind has great toll to pay, it would not be achievable in the long run if you ask me. Until the anointed one allow the rest? Plausible to some extent, but the this would be more of state of rest rather than starting gathering of data meaning just lowered defenses. Defeat aka be beaten by a more "knoweldge foe"? No, logos is out and so is ethos. I do not see how you swap between the states, it seems too binary for me. (perhaps that is the problem, and it is just a gradient, but how is the gradient changed?) Would it mean that giz for instance always was on the warpath against the nazis and that the globalist were not deemed a threat to the same extent?
You could also just overload them with information until they just cannot keep up with the constantly flowing happenings and then rewriting of those happenings.
Which seems to be how this is going. People don't have the time or energy to keep up in all the battlefields going on in this culture war, so they outsource the flow to who they consider "trustable" sources. And because the human mind loves consensus, "trustable" usually ends up as "says what I want to hear." Which then creates an echo chamber for yourself where you discount all information that doesn't fit as lies or psyops and overload yourself with confirmation bias. And then it just spirals from there until they feel strongly enough to be shouting down other people who try to dissent.
I don't think we can truly. Humans will always create problems to overcome, its just in our nature. The best solution we have is to fractalize into tinier communities, where you have face to face interaction with all parties and the world is a lot smaller, thereby giving you full access to all information directly.
This isn't possible more than likely, and is probably communism in a way, so the best we can hope for is to mitigate the negative effects the best we can. What the best way to do that is, is hard to say.
I won't pretend to have all the answers, I'm just an aging coonass, but I at least try to avoid some of the common pitfalls to keep myself from falling into the same mindsets.