I'm not 'fully condemning' them, I think though they're not going to come out of this looking good if it turns out they did take money in any capacity from a government source. If they took money from a government source of any kind, they're not independent at all.
Do you get it yet? This is why I'm doubling down, it's a very simple point, it's like how you get organisations like PBS and the BBC pretending they're independent yet it's right their in the fine print that they take government money.
Knowingly 'taking money from a government source' would certainly be questionable. These youtubers took money from Tenet Media which (correct me if I'm wrong) isn't a government. If you're only saying it looks bad, then duh, it's been engineered to look bad by bad actors.
Only now has it been revealed that Tenet Media is Russian funded-- who knew what and when is a very valid question, but not what you're asking. You're rushing to judgement about the youtubers who were associated seemingly without asking what they knew about Tenet Media. You're blaming the patsies for the crime before the trial even begins.
If this was a government op to poison the well and tarnish moderate-right youtubers, then you've fallen for it.
Even if they're not officially with a government agency or organisation they still could be taking government money. I don't understand why people on this site are being such blatant fanbois over this particular issue when not five seconds ago they were attacking Dustborn devs for doing exactly the same thing.
. The DOJ could be being the DOJ and going after them over bullshit charges
. The youtubers in question could have taken money from suspicious sources they should have done due diligence on
I am arguing for the presumption of innocence, from the position of 'trust but verify.' I don't trust the DoJ or the youtubers. Stacking up conditional judgements based on sources I don't trust strikes me as folly, but hey-- it's your time and energy.
Oh I'm devoting my time right now to playtesting and bugfixing, I'm just finding the fanboism over these people baffling. People don't realise that even though I'm terminally online I'm always writing code and multi-tasking generally while I shitpost here.
Even if they're not officially with a government agency or organisation they still could be taking government money.
"Could" being the word there. Why are you taking the DOJ at their word, and then going further with your accusations?
I don't understand why people on this site are being such blatant fanbois
Again, no one is fanboying here, as has been explained multiple times. I can't speak for everyone, but it seems like the majority opinion is unfavorable toward many of the individuals. Heck, the prime target was Tim Pool, who gets a lot of hate here.
No one is "fanboying," yet you keep pulling that out.
...over this particular issue when not five seconds ago they were attacking Dustborn devs for doing exactly the same thing.
I'm not sure of the Dustborn situation, but I assume they took government grants or something? Openly? If so, my objection would be that taxpayers funded that shit. I don't hate the Dustborn devs for taking money that's on the table, and I doubt anyone else here was saying they did either. That's not the issue; in that case the issue is the government spending, not receiving the money.
If the government sets you up to make it look like you're taking money that you didn't even know about...well, I still blame the government in that instance.
Dustborn and Tenet are two completely different situations, but the government deserves the blame in both instances. This isn't hard.
The youtubers in question could have taken money from suspicious sources they should have done due diligence on
It sounds like they did do due diligence. It's not like this was a pile of cash from Russians, in Russian currency, with Cyrillic bands holding the cash together, and men in suits with DOJ badges were hanging around in the room. Their friend said they had investors lined up.
Fyi, I have never once claimed that the government are the good guys in this situation and I think that's something people are severely misrepresenting me on. I don't support what the DOJ are doing I just wouldn't be at all surprised that grifters are going to grift.
It sounds like they did do due diligence. It's not like this was a pile of cash from Russians, in Russian currency, with Cyrillic bands holding the cash together, and men in suits with DOJ badges were hanging around in the room. Their friend said they had investors lined up.
I'm not 'fully condemning' them, I think though they're not going to come out of this looking good if it turns out they did take money in any capacity from a government source. If they took money from a government source of any kind, they're not independent at all.
Do you get it yet? This is why I'm doubling down, it's a very simple point, it's like how you get organisations like PBS and the BBC pretending they're independent yet it's right their in the fine print that they take government money.
Knowingly 'taking money from a government source' would certainly be questionable. These youtubers took money from Tenet Media which (correct me if I'm wrong) isn't a government. If you're only saying it looks bad, then duh, it's been engineered to look bad by bad actors.
Only now has it been revealed that Tenet Media is Russian funded-- who knew what and when is a very valid question, but not what you're asking. You're rushing to judgement about the youtubers who were associated seemingly without asking what they knew about Tenet Media. You're blaming the patsies for the crime before the trial even begins.
If this was a government op to poison the well and tarnish moderate-right youtubers, then you've fallen for it.
Even if they're not officially with a government agency or organisation they still could be taking government money. I don't understand why people on this site are being such blatant fanbois over this particular issue when not five seconds ago they were attacking Dustborn devs for doing exactly the same thing.
. The DOJ could be being the DOJ and going after them over bullshit charges
. The youtubers in question could have taken money from suspicious sources they should have done due diligence on
Both points can be true
I believe that both of those things are true.
I am arguing for the presumption of innocence, from the position of 'trust but verify.' I don't trust the DoJ or the youtubers. Stacking up conditional judgements based on sources I don't trust strikes me as folly, but hey-- it's your time and energy.
Oh I'm devoting my time right now to playtesting and bugfixing, I'm just finding the fanboism over these people baffling. People don't realise that even though I'm terminally online I'm always writing code and multi-tasking generally while I shitpost here.
"Could" being the word there. Why are you taking the DOJ at their word, and then going further with your accusations?
Again, no one is fanboying here, as has been explained multiple times. I can't speak for everyone, but it seems like the majority opinion is unfavorable toward many of the individuals. Heck, the prime target was Tim Pool, who gets a lot of hate here.
No one is "fanboying," yet you keep pulling that out.
I'm not sure of the Dustborn situation, but I assume they took government grants or something? Openly? If so, my objection would be that taxpayers funded that shit. I don't hate the Dustborn devs for taking money that's on the table, and I doubt anyone else here was saying they did either. That's not the issue; in that case the issue is the government spending, not receiving the money.
If the government sets you up to make it look like you're taking money that you didn't even know about...well, I still blame the government in that instance.
Dustborn and Tenet are two completely different situations, but the government deserves the blame in both instances. This isn't hard.
It sounds like they did do due diligence. It's not like this was a pile of cash from Russians, in Russian currency, with Cyrillic bands holding the cash together, and men in suits with DOJ badges were hanging around in the room. Their friend said they had investors lined up.
Fyi, I have never once claimed that the government are the good guys in this situation and I think that's something people are severely misrepresenting me on. I don't support what the DOJ are doing I just wouldn't be at all surprised that grifters are going to grift.
That's never how glowie ops work and you know it