the socialism in Germany - which is what they should have discarded after ww2, but instead they discarded nationalism
So, the nationalist qualities of National Socialism were good but the socialist qualities were bad? That's what I said in my original post.
At its core everyone should be National Socialist to some degree. The socialist tenants and big government can be argued but the reality of race and nationalist economic policies can't be denied unless they're being denied by bad actors.
You're linking nationalism with socialism, implying that the two are connected "everyone should be national socialist to some degree" and that the nazis weren't just using it as cover. Nationalism is independent of socialism.
All strong nations have elements of nationalism. The original united states did. The current united states does. The soviets also did. The chinese do now.
Your post is trying to link nationalist sentiments to leftist ideologies as if leftist ideologies don't just use them to further their real cause of gaining power. Simping for socialism, essentially - playing cover for the fact that those faggots did nothing unique. My initial reply was telling you to stop playing propagandist for the wehraboos.
They are faggots, the conpro tourist brigade that doesn't belong here and has been steadily trying to slide the board are also faggots, their ideology is leftist garbage and this is a right wing forum on a right wing site.
I think you also do not understand what nationalism is. The nazi racial policies are not inherent to nationalism. Racial collectivism is not inherent to nationalism, either.
There seems to be some fundamental issues with your argument.
Nothing about socialism is incompatible with nationalism so linking nationalism with socialism is logically congruent.
You state "nationalism is independent of socialism" and you are 100% correct that they are independent. You can be nationalist and socialist or not nationalist and socialist. The National Socialists were Nationalist and Socialist.
Now you presume the National Socialists were only Nationalist so they can gain power. This would imply that once they had power, they would stop being Nationalist. Do you have any examples of the National Socialists not being Nationalist? Or are you speculating that they lost the war too early but if they remained in power, they would have dropped Nationalism? That's possible but nearly all countries in modernity have dropped Nationalism, including the USA. NOTE: National Socialists were Racial Nationalists not Civic Nationalists and most countries in modernity if they have any nationalism left tend to be civic nationalists which is arguably not even nationalism at all.
I would argue the current USA has less nationalism than the National Socialists had.
Your definition of leftist ideology is merely socialism but there's a lot of elements regarding leftist ideology. Leftism is not so easily defined. There's a reason why a lot of leftists absolutely hate National Socialism and see it as their antithesis because the elements of leftism they hold dear are things the National Socialists did not agree with. I am not trying to link leftism to nationalism. I am merely pointing out Nationalism where Nationalism exists and you are trying to suggest there cannot be Nationalism despite there being evidence of Nationalism simply because Socialism also exists despite the fact you agreed socialism and nationalism are independent so Nationalism can in fact exist where Socialism exists.
I am not simping for socialism at all. As I keep linking to in my quote, I am saying the aspects of socialism were the weakest aspects of National Socialism. I am literally doing the opposite of simping for socialism.
Of course the National Socialists did nothing unique. There is nothing new under the sun.
Everyone here is pretty right-wing. I am so right-wing, leftists disintegrate when they hear me speak about politics. My point was simply that being nationalist is good and promoting your own race in your own country is good. That is why National Socialism lives on even today in places like Iran because many people who care about their race and about their nation which they view as being made up of a group of people of a specific race will be accused of being National Socialists because of the similarities with National Socialism. Many embrace the label themselves in protest because of how offensive National Socialism is to many people. They see it as a rebellion to accept the label. The label seems to have mystical properties over you as well because you're incredibly worked up over the label. That's why it's an effective label for some rebels anyhow. Regardless of the label you must agree that race matters and nationalism is good. Even if you disagree with the former, you probably agree with the latter. It's very hard to be right-wing and not nationalist.
So you agree with me?
So, the nationalist qualities of National Socialism were good but the socialist qualities were bad? That's what I said in my original post.
You're linking nationalism with socialism, implying that the two are connected "everyone should be national socialist to some degree" and that the nazis weren't just using it as cover. Nationalism is independent of socialism.
All strong nations have elements of nationalism. The original united states did. The current united states does. The soviets also did. The chinese do now.
Your post is trying to link nationalist sentiments to leftist ideologies as if leftist ideologies don't just use them to further their real cause of gaining power. Simping for socialism, essentially - playing cover for the fact that those faggots did nothing unique. My initial reply was telling you to stop playing propagandist for the wehraboos.
They are faggots, the conpro tourist brigade that doesn't belong here and has been steadily trying to slide the board are also faggots, their ideology is leftist garbage and this is a right wing forum on a right wing site.
I think you also do not understand what nationalism is. The nazi racial policies are not inherent to nationalism. Racial collectivism is not inherent to nationalism, either.
There seems to be some fundamental issues with your argument.
Nothing about socialism is incompatible with nationalism so linking nationalism with socialism is logically congruent.
You state "nationalism is independent of socialism" and you are 100% correct that they are independent. You can be nationalist and socialist or not nationalist and socialist. The National Socialists were Nationalist and Socialist.
Now you presume the National Socialists were only Nationalist so they can gain power. This would imply that once they had power, they would stop being Nationalist. Do you have any examples of the National Socialists not being Nationalist? Or are you speculating that they lost the war too early but if they remained in power, they would have dropped Nationalism? That's possible but nearly all countries in modernity have dropped Nationalism, including the USA. NOTE: National Socialists were Racial Nationalists not Civic Nationalists and most countries in modernity if they have any nationalism left tend to be civic nationalists which is arguably not even nationalism at all.
I would argue the current USA has less nationalism than the National Socialists had.
Your definition of leftist ideology is merely socialism but there's a lot of elements regarding leftist ideology. Leftism is not so easily defined. There's a reason why a lot of leftists absolutely hate National Socialism and see it as their antithesis because the elements of leftism they hold dear are things the National Socialists did not agree with. I am not trying to link leftism to nationalism. I am merely pointing out Nationalism where Nationalism exists and you are trying to suggest there cannot be Nationalism despite there being evidence of Nationalism simply because Socialism also exists despite the fact you agreed socialism and nationalism are independent so Nationalism can in fact exist where Socialism exists.
I am not simping for socialism at all. As I keep linking to in my quote, I am saying the aspects of socialism were the weakest aspects of National Socialism. I am literally doing the opposite of simping for socialism.
Of course the National Socialists did nothing unique. There is nothing new under the sun.
Everyone here is pretty right-wing. I am so right-wing, leftists disintegrate when they hear me speak about politics. My point was simply that being nationalist is good and promoting your own race in your own country is good. That is why National Socialism lives on even today in places like Iran because many people who care about their race and about their nation which they view as being made up of a group of people of a specific race will be accused of being National Socialists because of the similarities with National Socialism. Many embrace the label themselves in protest because of how offensive National Socialism is to many people. They see it as a rebellion to accept the label. The label seems to have mystical properties over you as well because you're incredibly worked up over the label. That's why it's an effective label for some rebels anyhow. Regardless of the label you must agree that race matters and nationalism is good. Even if you disagree with the former, you probably agree with the latter. It's very hard to be right-wing and not nationalist.