That's how you would make a deal. Big talk, reasonable compromise.
He will try to make them into Americans, despite them showing how little they want that.
I would rather them be Americans too. The thing is, I suspect that most of them are so fundamentally interested in money rather than subversion, most of them will simply leave when pressure is put on them (either by recession or by policy).
We can want people to be a lot of things: reasonable, law abiding, loyal. But time has shown many people outright refuse to be so and cannot be made so in any way that won't become treasonous the moment they think they can get away with it.
All illegals have shown themselves willing to commit a major crime just to become that, there is no changing the fact that they are in fact major criminals. And if we forgive huge crimes just because sad stories or "for votes" then there is no point to having laws in general. Just suggestions and Elites stomping on you.
Frankly, I don't think the situation is actually that bad. We just don't assert ourselves. The moment we take even minor steps in our own defense; the sham comes tumbling down.
It reminds me of that week where it looked like the Tories in the UK had enacted the Rwanda plan successfully. Suddenly, for a whole week, there were zero boats crossing the channel. And all that was was the fear of paying people to go to Africa.
I genuinely don't think it would take much effort to make most of the chancers leave, this is mostly because we are paying them all to come. If we wanted, we don't even need a deportation program. We just have to stop paying them.
The Visa overstayers might go back. The border hoppers likely wouldn't because the coyotes and other methods needed to cross only go one way, so they physically wouldn't be able to for most of them.
These people would just resort to more crime and going further under ground, while playing on local's sympathies, if the federal government stopped fully funding them.
Heck one of my big local rings is a fully legal Mexican fellow who simply snaps up every dude who arrives, forces them into 7 day a week for 200$ month labor jobs and then collects on the huge contracts the corporations are actually paying for that work. No government involved, and its suspected he actually pays to smuggle them over himself. Just a regular old "no labor laws apply" scheme.
The border hoppers likely wouldn't because the coyotes and other methods needed to cross only go one way, so they physically wouldn't be able to for most of them.
I disagree. The border hoppers are doing it because crossing the border illegally is more beneficial than crossing it legally. We've set up a system where we incentivize people to cross illegally in almost all possible cases. Almost all of their illegal trips are sponsored by NGO's, foreign governments, and massive investments. They could easily get a plane ticket back to their home countries, even if they burned their passport. They wouldn't have a support network to re-migrate them, but they wouldn't need it either. They'd just need a hundred bucks or so, and they'd be back in their home countries by the end of the day.
Heck one of my big local rings is a fully legal Mexican fellow who simply snaps up every dude who arrives, forces them into 7 day a week for 200$ month labor jobs and then collects on the huge contracts the corporations are actually paying for that work.
This I totally agree on, but I didn't bring it up because it's the supply side of the equation, while I was focusing on the demand side. We need a full-scale dragnet on the illegal employers. A lot of the isolationists want illegals shot, but honestly, these employers are the ones who need to be hit with the fullest extent of the law.
That's how you would make a deal. Big talk, reasonable compromise.
I would rather them be Americans too. The thing is, I suspect that most of them are so fundamentally interested in money rather than subversion, most of them will simply leave when pressure is put on them (either by recession or by policy).
We can want people to be a lot of things: reasonable, law abiding, loyal. But time has shown many people outright refuse to be so and cannot be made so in any way that won't become treasonous the moment they think they can get away with it.
All illegals have shown themselves willing to commit a major crime just to become that, there is no changing the fact that they are in fact major criminals. And if we forgive huge crimes just because sad stories or "for votes" then there is no point to having laws in general. Just suggestions and Elites stomping on you.
Frankly, I don't think the situation is actually that bad. We just don't assert ourselves. The moment we take even minor steps in our own defense; the sham comes tumbling down.
It reminds me of that week where it looked like the Tories in the UK had enacted the Rwanda plan successfully. Suddenly, for a whole week, there were zero boats crossing the channel. And all that was was the fear of paying people to go to Africa.
I genuinely don't think it would take much effort to make most of the chancers leave, this is mostly because we are paying them all to come. If we wanted, we don't even need a deportation program. We just have to stop paying them.
The Visa overstayers might go back. The border hoppers likely wouldn't because the coyotes and other methods needed to cross only go one way, so they physically wouldn't be able to for most of them.
These people would just resort to more crime and going further under ground, while playing on local's sympathies, if the federal government stopped fully funding them.
Heck one of my big local rings is a fully legal Mexican fellow who simply snaps up every dude who arrives, forces them into 7 day a week for 200$ month labor jobs and then collects on the huge contracts the corporations are actually paying for that work. No government involved, and its suspected he actually pays to smuggle them over himself. Just a regular old "no labor laws apply" scheme.
I disagree. The border hoppers are doing it because crossing the border illegally is more beneficial than crossing it legally. We've set up a system where we incentivize people to cross illegally in almost all possible cases. Almost all of their illegal trips are sponsored by NGO's, foreign governments, and massive investments. They could easily get a plane ticket back to their home countries, even if they burned their passport. They wouldn't have a support network to re-migrate them, but they wouldn't need it either. They'd just need a hundred bucks or so, and they'd be back in their home countries by the end of the day.
This I totally agree on, but I didn't bring it up because it's the supply side of the equation, while I was focusing on the demand side. We need a full-scale dragnet on the illegal employers. A lot of the isolationists want illegals shot, but honestly, these employers are the ones who need to be hit with the fullest extent of the law.
I don't disagree with any of this. I'm just saying, I like integration. But if they're not interested in it, then they need to be pushed out.