We can want people to be a lot of things: reasonable, law abiding, loyal. But time has shown many people outright refuse to be so and cannot be made so in any way that won't become treasonous the moment they think they can get away with it.
All illegals have shown themselves willing to commit a major crime just to become that, there is no changing the fact that they are in fact major criminals. And if we forgive huge crimes just because sad stories or "for votes" then there is no point to having laws in general. Just suggestions and Elites stomping on you.
Frankly, I don't think the situation is actually that bad. We just don't assert ourselves. The moment we take even minor steps in our own defense; the sham comes tumbling down.
It reminds me of that week where it looked like the Tories in the UK had enacted the Rwanda plan successfully. Suddenly, for a whole week, there were zero boats crossing the channel. And all that was was the fear of paying people to go to Africa.
I genuinely don't think it would take much effort to make most of the chancers leave, this is mostly because we are paying them all to come. If we wanted, we don't even need a deportation program. We just have to stop paying them.
The Visa overstayers might go back. The border hoppers likely wouldn't because the coyotes and other methods needed to cross only go one way, so they physically wouldn't be able to for most of them.
These people would just resort to more crime and going further under ground, while playing on local's sympathies, if the federal government stopped fully funding them.
Heck one of my big local rings is a fully legal Mexican fellow who simply snaps up every dude who arrives, forces them into 7 day a week for 200$ month labor jobs and then collects on the huge contracts the corporations are actually paying for that work. No government involved, and its suspected he actually pays to smuggle them over himself. Just a regular old "no labor laws apply" scheme.
The border hoppers likely wouldn't because the coyotes and other methods needed to cross only go one way, so they physically wouldn't be able to for most of them.
I disagree. The border hoppers are doing it because crossing the border illegally is more beneficial than crossing it legally. We've set up a system where we incentivize people to cross illegally in almost all possible cases. Almost all of their illegal trips are sponsored by NGO's, foreign governments, and massive investments. They could easily get a plane ticket back to their home countries, even if they burned their passport. They wouldn't have a support network to re-migrate them, but they wouldn't need it either. They'd just need a hundred bucks or so, and they'd be back in their home countries by the end of the day.
Heck one of my big local rings is a fully legal Mexican fellow who simply snaps up every dude who arrives, forces them into 7 day a week for 200$ month labor jobs and then collects on the huge contracts the corporations are actually paying for that work.
This I totally agree on, but I didn't bring it up because it's the supply side of the equation, while I was focusing on the demand side. We need a full-scale dragnet on the illegal employers. A lot of the isolationists want illegals shot, but honestly, these employers are the ones who need to be hit with the fullest extent of the law.
They'd just need a hundred bucks or so, and they'd be back in their home countries by the end of the day.
Why would their home country want them back? They are only given such free reign because they send back massive amounts of money to bolster the economy. If that train ended, few of them would get even the slightest leeway from their corrupt governments/cartels. They'd be landing at the airport with a truck waiting to bring them to some slave labor camp, not total freedom to just go about their lives.
Even if they could be welcomed back, they know what a shithole their country is. They'll rabble rabble about how bad America is but they know how good they have it compared to whereever they came from. The free money sponsored the trip, but that idea is why they chose to go on it in the first place.
Even if the gravy train of welfare and benefits ran out, there would always be guys like I mentioned above able to get them a life here that is still leagues above back home, even if its slavery relative to the rest of us. All that would happen is they would start turning on each other for the slimmer pickings instead of constantly trying to multiply.
We can want people to be a lot of things: reasonable, law abiding, loyal. But time has shown many people outright refuse to be so and cannot be made so in any way that won't become treasonous the moment they think they can get away with it.
All illegals have shown themselves willing to commit a major crime just to become that, there is no changing the fact that they are in fact major criminals. And if we forgive huge crimes just because sad stories or "for votes" then there is no point to having laws in general. Just suggestions and Elites stomping on you.
Frankly, I don't think the situation is actually that bad. We just don't assert ourselves. The moment we take even minor steps in our own defense; the sham comes tumbling down.
It reminds me of that week where it looked like the Tories in the UK had enacted the Rwanda plan successfully. Suddenly, for a whole week, there were zero boats crossing the channel. And all that was was the fear of paying people to go to Africa.
I genuinely don't think it would take much effort to make most of the chancers leave, this is mostly because we are paying them all to come. If we wanted, we don't even need a deportation program. We just have to stop paying them.
The Visa overstayers might go back. The border hoppers likely wouldn't because the coyotes and other methods needed to cross only go one way, so they physically wouldn't be able to for most of them.
These people would just resort to more crime and going further under ground, while playing on local's sympathies, if the federal government stopped fully funding them.
Heck one of my big local rings is a fully legal Mexican fellow who simply snaps up every dude who arrives, forces them into 7 day a week for 200$ month labor jobs and then collects on the huge contracts the corporations are actually paying for that work. No government involved, and its suspected he actually pays to smuggle them over himself. Just a regular old "no labor laws apply" scheme.
I disagree. The border hoppers are doing it because crossing the border illegally is more beneficial than crossing it legally. We've set up a system where we incentivize people to cross illegally in almost all possible cases. Almost all of their illegal trips are sponsored by NGO's, foreign governments, and massive investments. They could easily get a plane ticket back to their home countries, even if they burned their passport. They wouldn't have a support network to re-migrate them, but they wouldn't need it either. They'd just need a hundred bucks or so, and they'd be back in their home countries by the end of the day.
This I totally agree on, but I didn't bring it up because it's the supply side of the equation, while I was focusing on the demand side. We need a full-scale dragnet on the illegal employers. A lot of the isolationists want illegals shot, but honestly, these employers are the ones who need to be hit with the fullest extent of the law.
Why would their home country want them back? They are only given such free reign because they send back massive amounts of money to bolster the economy. If that train ended, few of them would get even the slightest leeway from their corrupt governments/cartels. They'd be landing at the airport with a truck waiting to bring them to some slave labor camp, not total freedom to just go about their lives.
Even if they could be welcomed back, they know what a shithole their country is. They'll rabble rabble about how bad America is but they know how good they have it compared to whereever they came from. The free money sponsored the trip, but that idea is why they chose to go on it in the first place.
Even if the gravy train of welfare and benefits ran out, there would always be guys like I mentioned above able to get them a life here that is still leagues above back home, even if its slavery relative to the rest of us. All that would happen is they would start turning on each other for the slimmer pickings instead of constantly trying to multiply.
I don't disagree with any of this. I'm just saying, I like integration. But if they're not interested in it, then they need to be pushed out.