This isn't the first, second, third, or fourth time we've been overrun by retards.
This shit is much more damaging to a community than any of what Dom lashes out against could ever be.
He claims to care about keeping this community healthy, but continually let's shit like this happen, while simultaneously over-moderating legitimate users. While also not listening to the users, the majority of which think his rules are bullshit and counterproductive.
Reminder that he recently said that this comic is "pushing race war" and...
What is the message of this comic? Pretty straight-forward: In the inter-temporal race war of jews against all civilization, the republican party exists to serve jews and jews alone.
He also says people here want to murder him and his family.
He's also said comparing cops reactions to BLM to reactions to anti-Israel protests is "Asserting hypnotic control of the police to foment an international race war."
It would be one (still bad) thing if he was spinning out, but was at least doing his job in moderating other things. But he's not. Again, he claims to want to keep things healthy here. Are things healthy here, with how he does (or worse, does not do) things?
I've defended him in the past, too. I'm not one of his die-hard haters. He's good on many issues, and I appreciate his hands-off approach when it comes to many issues. But there are issues he weighs in on that he shouldn't, and issues he needs to weigh in on that he doesn't, at least in a timely manner.
He's lost the fucking plot, and is pretty much tanking this community which would otherwise be completely functional. He's the biggest danger to this community at this point.
Yeah. The NatSocs would do that. That's why I don't respect their claims regarding free speech, or oppression, or discrimination, or any such thing. It's obvious hypocrisy to everyone else, but they see it as an extension of the friend-enemy distinction. Anti-moral things done to anti-moral people are always moral. So the more evil it is, done to me and mine, the more good it is. It's a simple calculation.
Not the cops, just the way that the poster was making the argument. Had he left it as hypocrisy, it would have been fine.
I stand by this. This is the message of the comic, and it is the message of the NatSoc users. We both know that it is true.
Nope.
Nope.
Remember how you often deal with rule 12 reports?
That's what you're doing here.
You seem like a normal guy, why do you say this? Do you run a drag queen brunch every Sunday or something? Why would, what are basically “White Zionists”, seek to torture you to death as such? Do you not think that a jewish zionist would feel the same way about you? What is it about white zionists that makes you feel way more icky than jewish zionists?
The first time you wrote that I almost had to do a spit-take. Lol like others have said, you need to work on your Psy powers if you want to keep using mind reading in your moderation duties lol
Leftists are Leftists. They truly do see things only in the dynamics of power, and within a Friend-Enemy Distinction.
Any non-Leftist is automatically, and always, in the Anti-Moral classification of "Enemy". All bad things done to enemies are always good. It is always that simple.
The feminist will scream about rape being the worst crime that could be committed, and laugh at a man getting raped. A trade unionist will condemn poor working conditions, and then support the skinning of "skags". I remember Ziezek saying that people who chose not to get a 'vaccine' should be intentionally starved into submission. Over and over again, Leftists have shown a hunger for violence that is shocking and nearer to the surface than one can imagine. The NatSocs aren't any different.
So yeah, they would skin me alive so long as there was opportunity, resources, and an excuse; because skinning me alive is inherently moral.
And again, they're not the only ones. This is how all ideologically captured Leftists think. You just have to get used to it. It's like if you've ever lived in a town with a violent schizophrenic, or a wild animal. You have to live your life like normal until it actually does something against you.
Look, I'm just not being coy about their argument. It is what it is. A Feminist comic would be about how human males, build off of their deranged psychology, have used Capitalism and rape culture to steal women's wealth, keep them as chattel, and trade them as breeding slaves from father to father throughout all of time. Yeah, it's crass, and it sounds crazy, but that's because they believe crazy thins and I'm not going to pretend that Feminism is "just thinking women are human, bro".
Basically everything in that first bit was “people who truly believe the ends can justify the means will resort to horrible, monstrous actions”. I agree. But I disagree with the umbrella label “leftists” (I mean, theocratic Iran believes the ends justify the means too right? They aren’t left wing are they?)... I just honestly don’t see where you get your violent reaction to white ethnonationalism yet total ambivalence (seemingly) to jewish ethnonationalism. America isn’t ruled by white ethnonationalists I think we can conclusively say. Can you conclusively say it isnt run by jewish ethnonationalists though?
It's much more than ends-justify-means. It's not Utilitarianism. It's an obsession for power through conquest. And yes, this exists outside Leftism, but it is a core element of Leftist thinking and philosophy.
Ethno-nationalism isn't even the issue. I can even accept something like Irish Nationalism, or Iroquois Nationalism. First, "white" isn't an ethnicity. Second, Leftism adopts some forms of nationalism, including ethno-nationalism, as a skin-suit for it's philosophy of conquest. That's why the Irish Nationalist party of Shin Fein (who are Leftists) are currently claiming that Rishi Sunak is part of a Tory party Kabal to make Ireland hate immigrants. That's entirely disingenuous, and when they thought they could get away with it, they were violently attacking the Irish.
Ethno-Nationalism just doesn't have a place in the US, and Leftist Ethno-Nationalists aren't actual nationalists. This is the issue with the NatSocs and WN's. They aren't nationalists. They're Socialists, no different from Shin Fein or the Scottish National Party.
Is America ruled by jewish ethno-nationalists? No. October 7th proved that when the media started uncritically repeating Hamas propaganda, and Ben Shapiro was the only real Israeli influence at play. Even now, Israel has to deal with Biden trying to 'both-sides' the conflict.
Ignoring that you're conflating "NatSoc users" in there, this YOU KNOW IM RIGHT dismissive form of argument is common in political debates, but isn't appropriate in moderation unless you're a TV judge.
At best you can argue that's the message of the comic, but I don't see it. Is the message that the republican party currently serves jews? Yes that's a reasonable conclusion. Nothing else you concluded is. No idea where the intertemporal race war stuff came from. The comic is clearly about the recent protests on campus leading to the GOP supporting anti-hate-speech legislation about jews specifically when they never did anything for whites in general, and a retard-memed MAGA supporter being a victim of his own doing. There may be an implied anti-Israel or anti-Jewish bias, but you have to read between the lines to find that. It does not make the claims you claim it does. The follow-up with a retard lefty amusingly concludes the point.
While I'm not one to normally care about votes, I do think the number of downvotes on the comment compared to the other on the page does indicate that many people silently disagreed with you. (or thought you sounded downright nutty) This fails the "what would a reasonable person have believed" legal standard of punishment. It's on the level of thinking someone destroying a rainbow flag - or just handing out pamphlets advocating the destruction of rainbow flags - means they want to kill all gays.
We both know that I'm right. :P
Even those are way too generous.
A better analogy would be someone saying "I don't think we should have hate speech laws to protect gays" and it being concluded that that person wants to gleefully and with no remorse murder all the gays in the world, and all the friends and families of gays in the world.
Yeah that's the point of the propaganda. "Use motivated reasoning to fill in the gaps we intentionally left you". Same strategy as an early life check.
It's not silent when they tell me I'm a JIDF shill trying to subert the sub (and apparently ConPro) with some crazy Hindi Pedo Nationalst alt brigade (and that I should kill myself).
I'm not even bitching about any of that, it's just that "silent" doesn't describe it right.
On the contrary, it's on the level of thinking that a bunch of people wearing the """Progress Flag""" and singing about how they are coming for my children are intentionally trying to bait a negative response, but are letting the mask slip enough to show that the LGBQ2SIA+ movement is built off of the abolition of gender, a removal of sexual and sex-based norms to unseat capitalism, and use sexually abused children and young adults as a revolutionary political class. Yes, I'm skipping steps, but it's all there. What it definitely isn't is a simple satire to prove that conservatives are fragile and don't want their kids to be taught how to be accepting of other people's differences.
I don't entirely agree, but you are certainly free to have that opinion, irrespective of mod actions.
No, I get your frustration, but that's not what I was saying. What I meant "dozens of us" who don't particularly care about "The JQ" or whether you are a jew or not downvoted your claim, without saying anything. We simply disagree. Your struggle with racist trolls is noted, but irrelevant. Yet you claim that "this comic is obviously identitarian, you know I'm right".
Dude, what I'm telling you is that lots of us don't think this comic is saying what you think it's saying. MAYBE btbw is a NatSoc shill (he does seem to be very myopic) but your moderation action was wrong. The comic is fine and makes a legitimate point that does not violate R16. Maybe the issue is your issue with NatSoc/antisemitic ideas. Let me tell you where I'm coming from. Personally, I don't think NatSoc is a real thing. The holocaust means nothing to me, and neither does "a zionist cabal runs the world". I'm not jewish and those edgy larpers mean nothing to me. You think it's dangerous or damaging to the alt-right and needs to be nipped in the bud before it hurts the community. Ok fine, but that SinFest comic in particular still doesn't violate R16 or say what you claimed it says. That's all I'm saying.
Ban btbw for something legit if you want. Or just ban him for no reason. The rules are nothing but suggestions anyway.
I think it's fine for us to argue that the comic doesn't mean it. I think it does. I also think that National Socialism is real in multiple forms, unfortunately. All that being said. I banned him for something else just recently anyway. This time he was carrying on against the Indians.
Nah, that was a massive and unjustified spinout that made you look like a clown, sorry. You accused a specific user of wanting to gleefully murder you, your friends, and your family, with no basis. I must once again remind you that, no, you are not capable of mindreading.
That's bullshit, because you're once again doing mindreading. You're the one inferring that stuff. It's also a completely useless claim, because you're often warning or banning people, and then saying 'well, if he'd done this instead...' which is completely unfalsifiable hypothetical.
You said criticizing mods is fine and to be encouraged, but then you also accuse people who criticize you in slightly the wrong way of literally trying to start race wars and genocide.
So, "I wouldn't have banned him if..." is completely useless nonsense, since you claim to be the arbiter of a user's actions.
A) False, that's not the point of the comic in the slightest. No one took it that way, no one was talking about race wars or Jews except for you. Everyone was talking about free speech/protest. B) More mindreading. Stop it.
Criticizing me has nothing to do with that. Race War & Genocide is merely a repeating of the meta-narrative of someone who is ideologically captured.
He was critiquing you and your modding. You read everything else into it.
Buzzwords and mindreading are a sign of ideological capture. You're captured, you're off in your own fictional reality.
Let's go through what was said, in the example I'm thinking of, where you went on to accuse him of wanting to kill you. It's also worth pointing out you didn't get a single upvote, and 21 downvotes, while everyone who called out your absurd claims got all upvotes. And, no, I'm not saying that proves anyone right or wrong, just pointing out that no one thinks you were being sensible, and that does count for something. No one was seeing things your way, when you still think you're clearly correct. Not a single person sees your reality, at least in that instance.
This is largely simply a true statement.
An exaggeration as, to your credit, you don't throw down a lot of permas. But you do have a specific focus on going after people who talk bad about Jews, and that's where most of your mindreading occurs. I know you'll disagree, but you tend to reach farther to determine guilt in those instances. And you went on to ban a few people for completely innocent things that you took the very most wrong way.
You can agree or disagree with that guy, but accusing him of wanting to murder you and everyone you know is a serious fucking reach, which is why people rightfully objected so strongly to that nonsense.
Your response:
Firstly, he never asserted any of that, that's more mindreading from you. Now, on to the points.
You exaggerate and make it as absurd as possible to try to make people look insane. International? Absolutely. Thus the term globalist. "Inter-temporal?" Yes, it's been going on for quite some time. Racial? There are certainly elements, let's just put it that way. As to using "Jedeo-Capitalism" to break down civilization, firstly, that's your term. There are certainly examples of trying to use bastardized "capitalism" to break down civilization, some very explicit, others more subtle. Marx being a famous one, who just came out and said it. Klaus Schwab and the whole WEF are another example, although aren't quite as blatant in their stated goals.
That's just absurd, and everyone but you knows it.
Look, I don't want to fight with you, I really don't. You're of course welcome to hold whatever opinions you like, too. I just wish you'd moderate in a level and unbiased way (and, again, to your credit, you do on almost all topics), and cut it out with the mindreading. Moderate people for what they're actually saying and doing, not what you perceive their motivation behind something is. Thought crime is no way to run this ship.